PBEM 45 Vets Tech Thread

[regoarrarr]

Thought we could use a separate thread so we can discuss settings just for our game

Undecided Questions:

* Start everyone with a scout? Or normal warrior/scout based on hunting tech?

Map
* Snakey archipelago similar to pbem17 (but not duplicate of)
* Make naval strategy as important as land strategy
* Enough land that Astronomy is not the One Right Choice
* Land connection between all starting capitals

Diplomacy
* AI Diplo - among other things, this includes no renaming units, no typing in the chat or trade screen, and no using cities / resources to try and spell things

Other Bans & Settings
* Map size - lots of land to expand to or relatively cramped? I think i would like land to expand, but capital's close enough that you can have early game wars.
* Difficulty - any strong opinions here? Prince is probably fine, maybe monarch if we don't have a toroid.
* No Nukes
* No War Elephants
* No Spies
* No Huts
* No Events
* Played on BtS
* No Barbs
* No tech trading
* Blockades only with ships that have strength > 8 and movement > 4. (I'm assuming that means no frigates)
* No wonder bans (all wonders allowed)

Pick order
1) scooter
2) Ruff
3) Regoarrarr
4) Ichabod
5) Pindicator
6) scooter
7) Ruff
8) Regoarrarr
9) Ichabod
10) Pindicator

Turn order
1) Pindicator - Victoria (FIN/IMP) of Sumeria
2) Ichabod - De Gaulle (CHM/IND) of India
3) Regoarrarr - Isabella (EXP/SPI) of Mali
4) Ruff - Sury (EXP/CRE) of England
5) scooter - Lizzie (PHI/FIN) of Carthage

Civ / Leader picking
You can have 5 points.

4: FIN
3: EXP, ORG, India, Inca
2: SPI, IND, CRE, Vikings, Dutch
1: PHI, Holy Rome, All other Agriculture civs
0: IMP, CHA, AGG, PRO, All other civs

Tracker at http://mistbinder.org/tracker/pbem45v.php

[Ruff_Hi]

Are we allowed to look in this thread? I've been caught once looking in a player thread due to the lack of SPOILER tags.

[NobleHelium]

No, please discuss without looking.

[Ruff_Hi]

Ok ... here goes. How about we run a poll to rank the leaders and the civs (everyone can join in) and then we throw out the top and bottom N leaders and civs. Then we pick. That way, we will get a middling sort of combo.

[regoarrarr]

To copy my (not fleshed out) idea from the other thread


One thought I had would be somehow setting a rule up similar to PBEM43 (where if you picked Fin, Exp, Inca, India, etc) you lost some turns. But instead of that (or maybe in addition to that), you could make the turn order contingent on traits / civs

So we have a regular snake order, with picks randomly assigned. Then at the end, we "rank" the civs / leaders based on points (so Inca, India, FIN, EXP, CRE maybe get points). Person with the least points (so less used civs / leaders) get to start first and/or people with the most points get turns skipped

[Ruff_Hi]

I can live with Rego's suggestion.

Can I also request a specific leader with another leader's traits? Can you do that in the game setup or does it require a mod? The reason I ask is that my game approach is starting to come together and I just stumbled on something that I absolutely MUST HAVE :D.

[Ichabod]

I dislike the idea of turn penalties. I'd prefer outright bans of certain leaders and civs.

And regarding the other idea (turn order based on the picks), what could we do in the case of a tie and how do we rank each civ/leader?

[regoarrarr]

I was thinking flip a coin if it's a tie, and what about

FIN, India: 3 pts
EXP, Inca: 2 pts
CRE: 1 pt

Just to throw out some numbers - feel free to tweak

[Ruff_Hi]

And while I am making outlandish requests - can I request a flag (need to look at them to decide) and the Egyptian yellow color.

[pindicator]

Rego, can you copy the following into the first post?

Undecided Questions:

* Do we have a ban list for civs / leaders or other method?
* Draft method?
* Start everyone with a scout? Or normal warrior/scout based on hunting tech?

Map
* Snakey archipelago similar to pbem17 (but not duplicate of)
* Make naval strategy as important as land strategy
* Enough land that Astronomy is not the One Right Choice
* Land connection between all starting capitals

Diplomacy
* AI Diplo

Other Bans & Settings
* Map size - lots of land to expand to or relatively cramped? I think i would like land to expand, but capital's close enough that you can have early game wars.
* Difficulty - any strong opinions here? Prince is probably fine, maybe monarch if we don't have a toroid.
* No Nukes
* No War Elephants
* No Spies
* No Huts
* No Events
* Played on BtS

As for picking a ban list, I would consider if you think there is a "must have" civ or leader/trait for these settings then it probably needs banning / restricting in some way. That said I really dont' want to ban anything if I can, but I realize giving the settings we probably need to restrict some things

Personally, I was thinking something along the lines of this (if we were to have any ban list):

FIN cannot be paired with EXP, CRE, ORG, SPI, or IND
EXP cannot be paired with FIN, CRE, ORG, SPI, or IND
India, Inca, Vikings, and Dutch cannot pick FIN or EXP leader (add ORG?)

Haven't thought that out 100%, but the idea is to keep some of the better traits and civs in play while making sure someone doesn't get an overly powerful combiation


I'm also fine with saying no bans on traits and having at it :money:

These are weird smileys...


Edit: x-post with Rego & Ruff