WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[pling]

The Empress Pling still wasn't sure the summoners had got the right spell. The case they had retrieved the components from was worn & faded, but some of the words she could make out were a little peculiar. "Vault Crawling Ad[illegible]!" seemed appropriate enough, but "Backstab [illegible]" was worrying. And "[illegible] Mafia with [illegible]" was downright strange. Nevertheless, the scrying device at least worked as it should. Despite the mossy green colour, and a strange sensation like she was actually reading the action not seeing it, it was just like being there.

The heroes added to her sense of unease. Sure, they'd acted with decorum while she explained their quest (well, except that one that winked all the time). But as soon as they thought they were out of sight they started to bicker like children whose tutor had left the room! She had rather agreed with the one called Magus Deathspell when he was asking why they had to kill anyone, and was appalled to discover this was grounds for such vindictive brutality.

But she did find it all strangely compelling. And it's not like she had anything else to do while waiting for the city to burn, the fiddle lessons hadn't worked out. So the Empress Pling settled herself down for another day of watching them search. Hopefully they'd all got a good peaceful night's sleep, and would concentrate on saving the universe today.

Wait, there's more dead?!?

[Gazglum]

Yes! A wolf down! Well down random sneaky murderous person.

And no! We've lost Leisure Suit Larry at the first hurdle....I will carry the adventure game torch for you Zak.

[Molach]

This place reeks with the stench of demons

Making some draft posts now, posting after dead-line. (They contain some town-reads I don't wanna give the wolves just yet)
Draft #1, response to Ichabod (and probably others) - writing this 20 pm gmt if anyone is counting.

...must never drink.....wine....again

I am liking Serdoa and his effort atm. Seems a bit un-wolfy do commit so hard to color Ichabod black, too early (and out of the blue) to throw fellow wolf under the bus - and if Serdoa is a wolf and knows Ichabod to be innocent he is using up any goodwill thence for this game - better hope he does not end up needing Ichabods vote for anything down the road. So the Ichabod case is worth considering, "too scummy to be a wolf" "just having fun" - if this is so, if his fun is making him appear scummy it's not pro-village. Novice having fun "Havent seen village Zak yet" and Zak "I know what I'm hunting" is fun - once one gets the joke it's harmless.

Then about Gazglum. I thought he answered well why he picked Gaius of the flug-voters, so I'll consider Gaius a bit too. But there is little to go on, and new guy too.

Azza - mabye it's that hated avatar, but I'm suspicious about him too.

Mommy's home, gotta go.

Wolf post, for the same reason why my Meiz post from early in the game is being considered as a wolf post. He considered me as a wolf, Serdoa as a wolf, every scenario, no information given.

I'll agree that this post looks bad. "Mommy's home, gotta go" meant that I was interrupted by my wife (my childrens mommy) coming home from shopping. I am not allowed to play while they are up and running, so I wrote those 4 words then hit reply. Then a while pause while putting children to rest.

So I was in the middle of considering what to write about Azza, looking a bit in the thread, and not really coming up with anything. At the moment I have 'slightly suspicious' read on him, but can't word it better than gut feel. I did not return to consider Azza first day precicely because I didn't really have much to add, slightly suspicious feel. I had, in fact, more stuff to think about.

The Gazglum part is my read on his reply about why he chose Gaius. I thought that post was okay. I see Ichabod felt different about it (the timing thing) but I didn't see that at the time.

Now, after reading more, the point that Gazlum found both flug voters scummy and flug himself suspicious is curious. And as I said in the Dark Arts thread, "If you're right about Ichabod I think wolves would like to get him today, and then you tomorrow, and that is a bad start for us.", I mean here that I realized that if Ichabod and Flug both were innocent, they would definately like to get Ichabod first and flug as auto-lynch later on. So Ichabods triumphant posting after the Gazglum switch found a resonating string within me too. Gazglum is highly suspicious to me. So Gaius, barring some distancing, is probably leaning the other way. But at the time of my post I meant just what I said.

Now, Serdoa-Ichabod thing. My main point that I'm trying to make is that I really think Serdoa is village. You say I consider that Serdoa wolf and Ichabod wolf, every scenario, no explanation. I'm trying to make the reductio in absurdam thing here - why would a wolf do this. And 'this' is a major work, probably the biggest case on anyone day 1. I'm pointing out that this is strange play for a wolf on day 1. I say it is not a wolf-wolf bussing thing, and a wolf to attack a villager so hard, so early is also not likely. Village Serdoa makes to me a LOT more sense than any of the other possibilities. Disagree if you will.
And it follows that since Serdoa is likely villager then his case against you is worth considering, as it is an honest accusation. By a villager. I end my post stating that I disagree with Zak that you are just having harmless fun and call it contra-town play. But I never vote for you, and later on dig out a different candidate to try to avoid a villager-villager-on-the-block end of day 1.

A final point - as a wolf I would NEVER have sent this post along in a hurry. Mabye save as draft, or just discard it. I do spend quite some time going over my posts even as villager, see that they really say what I want them to say and such - even so some jerk kept calling my posts incomprehensible last game I was village - but I do that even more as wolf. And for every post I make as wolf there is usually one I half write then just reject because I can't make it sound right. Better to lurk than risk giving off a wolf tell. Anyway I had gotten some reads down so I sent it off.

[Molach]

Draft #2. 20:30 GMT.

Sorry for missing lunch, I thought Id have another chance to vote but got very hectic.
If I had been online I would've voted molach, even before the neighbour thing.
I found niether ichabod or flug massively suspicious - flug seemed a bit more flailing villager (though his bot voting was a bit wierd) and ichabod had a sufficient mix of decent posts to leave him for the day.
Molach on the other hand, has felt very non-commital - as though he's skirting on the edge of the action helping out from time to time, but remaining predominantly aloof as though he's observing but not participating.
Ok that was badly explained, but his BRick vote is.a good example of that as though he's saying "vote this. there are reasons which I will provide later" not necessarily bad in and of itself, but the lack of explanation and the detached tone feels suspicious to me.
Another example (by no means are these all, its more a.gut feelingthat I'm trying to qualify, and these are the posts that show it best) is the whole neighbour thing.
Despite it intrinsically being related to him, I haven't seen a single example of him participating strongly in the discussion, nor having a good read, (by good I mean string, like he's taken a stance) instead, as before he remains apart - contributing stuff from the neighbour thread and relating to his part in it, but never becoming, I suppose []invested[/] in the lunch.lynch

Anyway this is a long winded way of qualifying a suspicion, but I hope its better then the ryan attack.

I stand by my BRick vote, I did provide a reason, belatedly. Attacking weak, opportunistic targets. However I did not have time to make a grand case on BRick, was a bit busy with the 'neighbour thing'. And I was unhappy with current lunch-options.

My case on BRick roughly went as follows: During my read I somehow decided there was something off about his posting, or rather voting. I notice Meiz voiced suspicion on him and you vote him, so I decide to help put BRick on the block. I felt I had to put the name out there in red, even without sufficiently well-articulated case, at the time of the post. Or it would be too close to the lynch. And perhaps other villagers could add more, or perhaps he would defend in a scummy way to fortify suspicion.

So I guess it could be seen as scummy that I make an unfounded vote. But why would I need to do this, on day 1, with two perfectly good mislynches already on the block? (Ichabods posting this night has me pretty convinced he's village) Best wolf play, at least for me, is to vote either of those with minimal effort required, or find someone easier to post about and state the case better. Or just leave my vote on Lewwyn and claim I was too busy watching 'halvbroren' to make a switch in time.

Neighbour thread. Okay. Keep in mind through the posting that I did not know flug's alignment for sure, and was really trying to get him to post in the main thread. Mainly so other could get a better read and not leave the call about his innocence to me alone. Towards the end I was thinking village, especially after his 'self-voting to save ichabod' post. By then I had promised not to quote from the thread without consent (or death). I said in main thread that I would not vote for him because he was posting, that he was replying and that I couldnt/wouldn't quote. Then lunchtime.

But I fail to see how this is good wolf play (Flug's quote from the QT):
"Listen, neighbor. I think this. If you don't know my team and I don't know your team, this is only possible if we both are team village, because all the wolves know each other. This give us some edge, right? What do you think of the situation? "

Wouldn't this be a good reason to not get him lynched?

[Molach]

Draft #3. 21:30.
Gaspar has voiced suspicion about my itiniaries and life story and that I can't be online at certain times, and that I do this as a wolf.
And Gaspar is very right, I've always exaggerated any reason for absence, added some hours or even days. Especially as the game goes on and there are less lynchables left to make cases on. Point is, I 'know' that I'm gonna get lynched soon, so anything I say will reveal the rest of my pack, anyone I accuse seriously will become proven villagers and so on. For reference, see...any game I've been wolf in. (FFH game I had enough meta to talk to and got killed so early so it's not very pronounced then). And compare to games I've been village in - I ended up as 2nd-to-top poster in the Alpha Centauri game, and no lurking in the Crossover Madness 1st pick-your-character game.

This game I stated that I would be gone saturday. But I was on sunday around lynchtime which should be what matters. And anyway, day 1 is not the time to start lurking. Lynch me if I start posting extended itiniaries as the game drags on.

And I'll give my opinions on the scumminess on anyone, anywhere, even when the pack thins out. If not, lynch me.

And I think best vote now is Gazglum

EDIT: Okay this is mabye not that needed anymore, I guess.

[Gaspar]

First time night killed.

G'luck everyone.

[novice]

Excellent.

Sounds like Gaspar had a secret tiebreaking vote.

I wonder if he was vigged or died killing Zakalwe. I'm leaning towards the latter, he hadn't caught much heat yet. Well played, both of you.

Gonna read Gaspar's posts now.
http://www.cassidyweb.com/ww20/posts/Gaspar.html

Crossposting with the Molach diaries.

[BRickAstley]

First time night killed.

G'luck everyone.

You rat bastard!

Whoever vigged gaspar, nice shot! And sorry to see you go zak.

[Molach]

And now bedtime.
Nice kill, Gaspar hasn't been lurking either so should be stuff to go on.[/align]

[BRickAstley]

Also, it won't hurt to check out what Zak said, see if he had any hints at digging into something that scum didn't like. He does have the 2nd most posts in thread, so it might just be that they wanted him nipped off before he found anything crucial.