(February 6th, 2013, 08:39)Rowain Wrote: @Lewwyn,Meiz: I see your case vs novice and yes his play is different than WW16 but still I have to agree with Serdoa that his play doesn't make much sense as wolf. (could still be possessed)
Why not? I gained massive villager points on my wolf game, where I voted Matt early, at a time when it makes no sense for wolf to do. Novice would be aware how well it worked, he had me listed as villager too.
Yes I could see novice bussing Tasunke hard but the jumping off is the thing that makes me doubt his wolfishness. Especially with practically no reasons given.
But Novice wasn't bussing. He was distancing. Tasunke wasn't lynched. He got vigged. So no buss but a blatant distancing that started to go badly and he tried to train off of it.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(February 6th, 2013, 09:26)Rowain Wrote: Yes I could see novice bussing Tasunke hard but the jumping off is the thing that makes me doubt his wolfishness. Especially with practically no reasons given.
Thing is, he would've followed up on it with reasons soon after, if not for me interrupting. Something about BRick & Gaspar connections. Doesn't help that I think BRick is probably villager, so I suspect he was starting to direct votes away from wolf, to a villager. There was over a day left, so he could not know how suspicious his change would look.
Why do you think he did not wait for completing his accusation against Brick and then vote, when one of his suspects had just gained massive attention? Why start to direct attention elsewhere at this point? I don't think it makes any sense for a villager.
(February 6th, 2013, 09:26)Rowain Wrote: OTOH The fact that you were not telling the truth about your relationship with Ichabod remains true. And your current lynch-cases are rather weak but understandable since you had a lot of catch-up to do. So I hope you now have some more time to go through and find some better reasons to put your vote (could still be the same target).
Oh no you dont
Where my assumptions about a possible connection between Ichabod and myself wrong - yes
Where they always quite clearly stated as assumption - yes
(February 6th, 2013, 10:04)Rowain Wrote: @novice & Ichabod In case you 2 missed it.
Why did you declare BRIck as villager after Tasukes death?
Due to this post
(February 5th, 2013, 12:19)BRickAstley Wrote:
(February 5th, 2013, 11:37)Tasunke Wrote: Are you kidding!? His play was SOOO scummy. I mean, who in the Hell has the time to learn to speak Italian just for the sake of this game!?
Even IF he used google translate, thats STILL a lot of work just for RP. and your saying that ISNT a wolf tell? Jesus christ ...
"OMG Becky, look at her butt!" We all love people bringing emotion into posts, it's a nice read, and this one sounds like a tasunke backed into a corner.
Quote:I'm well aware that there is probably a survivalist/traitor or a serial killer out there somewhere, and I'm looking into who they could be ... really don't have any leads right now BUT ... I was pretty sure that the scum were trying to set up Flug (thanks Uber for confirming just one coordinating pack ... now we need to find the serial killer).
Still, I think we could find some of the scum in the Flug voters. For now, I honestly don't remember who voted Flug. All I remember is that I got a feeling, an intuition, that Gaspar and Meiz were working together. I think that feeling is correct, and so what you think I'm wrong? Then fine! Hang me for it, but it won't get you any closer to finding the wolves OR the serial killer.
(Emphasis mine) I think we have found the serial killer, and I think it's you tasunke. It works well with everything that's gone down so far:
* Open the door, or, voting Gaspar: Still makes sense, cause you're not on his team. Lets you try and build a case to say you're innocent, which is very lucky for you. But not if you're 3rd party.
* Get on the floor, or, being quiet: Because you got a role you like (killing people) and you're extra cautious to keep from losing it, you're laying low now. Or at least, til you get pressure on you. Which leads to:
* Everyone walk the dinosaur, or, Emotional Reaction: Cause you don't wanna lose your fun fun killing everybody role. Now you're trying to get all worked up to get us to back off, but regardless of that, you still look suspicious.
Boom boom, ackalacka boom boom.
tasunke, the serial killer, for your consideration folks.
Of course it could be a standard bus but it was enough for me to dismiss the case I had prepared on BRick.
(February 6th, 2013, 09:26)Rowain Wrote: OTOH The fact that you were not telling the truth about your relationship with Ichabod remains true. And your current lynch-cases are rather weak but understandable since you had a lot of catch-up to do. So I hope you now have some more time to go through and find some better reasons to put your vote (could still be the same target).
Oh no you dont
Where my assumptions about a possible connection between Ichabod and myself wrong - yes
Where they always quite clearly stated as assumption - yes
Hence I have at no point in this game lied.
Lets say you hinted that strongly that everybody assumed you have a bond. Oh and then there is this post (about Ichabod):
(February 3rd, 2013, 08:36)Jkaen Wrote: I am happy to discuss him as a suspect. But unless you find a smoking gun I will not be voting for him today due to the bond. Your words today could however sway me to change day 2 or 3 when there is more to go on against him
Don't see an assumtion here but a clear statement of a bond.
@novice:
(February 6th, 2013, 10:23)novice Wrote:
(February 6th, 2013, 10:04)Rowain Wrote: @novice & Ichabod In case you 2 missed it.
Why did you declare BRIck as villager after Tasukes death?
(February 5th, 2013, 12:52)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I don't understand the recent brick-meiz exchange, but I don't think it matters.
I was kinda taken aback with how fast Meiz responded to my case on tasunke. Especially now that he just switched feelings after just saying this morning:
(February 5th, 2013, 02:19)Meiz Wrote: After reviewing Gaspar's posts, I'd lean villager for Tasunke and Bigger.
So I guess this case reversed your direction really well? that combined with your multitude of posts that don't really add any content but make you look active kinda brings you into my scumdar. Plus, you never had anything bad to say about Gaspar, which isn't a null read in my opinion.
reducing the pressure on Tas. So I'm wondering why that made him a surefire villager for you and Icha while on the same time your moving off makes you a surefire scum in Meiz and Lewwyns eyes.
(February 5th, 2013, 21:58)pindicator Wrote: Cross-Post Add: Ichabod, I'd like your input on the spoilered part now. Too much tin foil hat?
Well, Pindicator, I don't think it's too much tinfoil hat. I was voting Meiz for a while and my only motivation was his vig shot on Tasunke.
I find your question, interesting, though, because of your next post:
(February 6th, 2013, 00:18)pindicator Wrote:
(February 5th, 2013, 22:14)Lewwyn Wrote: I REALLY don't think a scum will day vig another scum. I think the idea that Meiz is scum is ridiculous (Unless he is SK). I mean buss them, sure, that way you at least waste a lynch and a day. But to just kill scum just like that in the middle of the day, early even, and allow the village more time to regroup, reevaluate and make an even better informed lynch decision? That's hugely pro-town.
Thanks, this post was worth using one of mine.
I hadn't been able to decide about you Lewwyn, and the novice line of thinking did have me suspecting you a little bit. Because in absence of good scum tells I think it really is a good tool, to go back and see who has the best town tells and then work backwards. That's how I got onto the wolves, you included, in WW# whatever-the-one-that-Brick-GMed-that-lasted-12-days-was.
But your responses here make me think town. I can't see scum not being able to bite on this: either by calling me nuts or by agreeing with me.
So I wonder if you just made all those Meiz comments on the previous post to see if I was going to call you nuts or agree with you. In other words, I think you didn't suspect Meiz, you were just trying to set me up. I really don't feel you really suspecting Meiz there, to be fair.
Am I right about this? I'll have to reason if this is a scum hunting attempt or a framing villager attempt.
Half right? There's a lot of stream of thought going on in my posting because tbh the best case I've made is against Meiz it just feels crazy. (Other people are voting Gaius, but I was having a tough time seeing his day 2 posts as being someone trying to dissuade from a Tasunke day-vig.) So yeah, as soon as I posted it I was already starting to poke holes in it myself. I can't entirely dismiss it either, because Tasunke's involved after all, but I think it's less probable.
If you don't like my play this game, I can agree with you there at least. Going to partially blame that on the PR, because I think I'm feeling like I have to include as much of my thoughts as I can, but end up with stream-of-conscious instead of just posting good points.
But I'm pretty sure we're on the same side. For instance, your prodding at Rowain was exactly what I thought when I read it. And no Rowain, I'm not entirely happy with my Bigger vote either. It was me thinking mid-stream and I really don't have a good target right now.
(February 5th, 2013, 13:53)Ichabod Wrote: Well, this is a big point in favour of Brick's innocence.
So, I guess I'll have to choose between Pindicator, GaiusMarius and Gazglum. The fact that Tasunke was one of Gaspar mates make me think a distancing manouvre from gaspar towards Bigger could make sense. Especially if there's a new player as a 4th member. The more experienced scum would try to give each other cover in that situation, I believe.
Swamped as all get out at work, but I can likely be on and post more an hour before deadline. I do have to say that after all of the interaction with the novice case up to thins point, I still think novice is scum. I really like and agree with this Meiz post:
(February 6th, 2013, 09:41)Meiz Wrote:
(February 6th, 2013, 09:26)Rowain Wrote: Yes I could see novice bussing Tasunke hard but the jumping off is the thing that makes me doubt his wolfishness. Especially with practically no reasons given.
Thing is, he would've followed up on it with reasons soon after, if not for me interrupting. Something about BRick & Gaspar connections. Doesn't help that I think BRick is probably villager, so I suspect he was starting to direct votes away from wolf, to a villager. There was over a day left, so he could not know how suspicious his change would look.
Why do you think he did not wait for completing his accusation against Brick and then vote, when one of his suspects had just gained massive attention? Why start to direct attention elsewhere at this point? I don't think it makes any sense for a villager.
