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WW20: Legend of the Undercity

(February 6th, 2013, 20:00)Lewwyn Wrote: You know that you have four votes on you that aren't going to change without using your role claim.

How do I know that? And more to the point, how do you?
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Hmm reread the thread.
Bigger I think is believable in sending the pm, (can't think why he'd lie about it) bit I dont personally think that affects his scumminess at all - quite apart from being unconfirmed, it isn't an overtly village role.

I can't remember who said it, but I heard someone mention policy lynching bigger if no one gets a pm, which I think is very antitown - firstly it opens up a vote for whoever with out them reasoning it (tbh I do find bigger quite scummy, but that's irrelevant ATM) and secondly it attempts to diminish the role of a private communication of the village - its a reasonably powerful role (as pin/lew showed last game) and would lose its strength if the entire village knew.
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(February 7th, 2013, 03:41)Rowain Wrote: Tell me why you changed your stance on Ichabod from "Without a smoking gun I won't vote Ichabod" to "He defends poorly so oof with his head" on day1?

(February 5th, 2013, 03:30)Jkaen Wrote: Actually it should be safe for me to reveal my role now.

My (current) power is amnesiac - when I awake after death (and it seems being summoned) I lose my memory, and dont know who I am. I have been told half way through today my memory will return and I will be informed of any powers I have, if any.

Now due to :
A. Ichabod buddying up, following my votes and 'protecting' me early day 1, I thought maybe he knew something about my role, it seems now however this may all have been RP
B. In the computer game Morte gives the Nameless One various bits of information to help put his past back together.

Hence what I decided Ichabod may have done (note the 'if any' statement on me getting new powers) is linked my power gain day 2 on Ichabod still being alive, or giving me data or some such (hence me asking him in one post what my tattoos said).

So what I thought my decision end of day 1 was between was a newbie villager and somebody with faint scum tells who may cost me my power. I decided losing the power was worth the risk in that case.

Hence in conclusion I have no tell atm on ichabods alignment but may well do in 24 hours, who knows

(February 5th, 2013, 03:50)Jkaen Wrote: Serdoa, I hope that also explains why I said at one point I would not vote ichabod day 1 (in the end i saw no better option) but may be convinced to day 2 or 3. It was me wanting to keep him alive until I get my memory back
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As for Rowain and Serdoa suspecting people, having checked back it seemed I misremembered. I could have sworn early doors Serdoa put together a big accusation agaisnt Ichabod then a few posts later one agaist Novicem, but seems I was wrong
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(February 7th, 2013, 03:50)Serdoa Wrote: I don't like Meiz role in here, but he decided to make certain that Mattimeo gets not lynched. I too don't see the reason to lynch him, but why Gaius was a better lynch than Mattimeo is certainly something for Meiz to explain.

I felt like Mattimeo was totally random shot, while Ichabod & Gaius pair seemed quite possible to me. When Matt voted Gaius, I didn't have time to look who gets lynched by ties, so went with Gaius to make sure he hangs over Matt. I didn't like how Gaius had such a neutral / no-comments stance regarding the big Ichabod + Gaius theory I yelled everyone about.
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Why do you think he's a good lynch novice?
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(February 7th, 2013, 01:55)Serdoa Wrote: Well, Ichabod is neither honest, nor does he really share his thoughts (his "cases" are just laughable - and I am not talking about the lenght, look at what he did with Gazglum if you want to know what I mean) and he most certainly is not playing for the village, because if he did, he would not play in a way that makes himself distracting the discussion for 2 days now. Everyone always wants to lynch Tasunke because he is a distraction to the village - but when Ichabod does that we suddenly have to accept it as "his way to play"? Sorry, but no. If his way to play is hurting the village, he should be lynched. This is a teamgame after all and in soccer you also won't keep a player that is always shooting at your goal because it is "his way to play". And thats what Ichabod did since the start of this game, playing against the village.

That's not exactly fair. So far, I haven't lied to the village (is this another lie? mischief). My votes were on the players I found the most suspicious. Easy for people to say I was wrong, since half the village got a "get out of the jail free" card with Novice's power. I knew novice wasn't guilty just by looking at his cute profile picture. Besides, it's not that hard to differentiate from when I'm talking serious and when I'm talking goofily (the previous sentence about novice was, of course, a goofy one).

But, I'll say it again. The village won't be able to get past thinking I'm bad, so might as well mislynch me and avoid half the scum hiding behind me for the whole game. In that WW game where Meiz, Lew and Gaspar were wolves I defended like a madmen until I could prove my innocence with my baner roleclaim. We lost that game. So, the optimal play in a village stand point might actually be lynching a villager tomorrow.
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From a village standpoint, the optimal play is for you to help us understand you better imo. I don't need long cases, dozens of quotes or some such. I want to understand your play. So far I don't. It is not about the lenght of your cases for example but that I get the feel you don't even believe in them yourself. I do like the insights you always give as villager and so far I am not seeing them. I believe you have some suspicion about pindicator for example, but I am neither sure if that is really the case nor what exactly triggered them. How am I supposed to evaluate your play (and thats what we do in this game in the end) if I don't even know what your play is.

And yes, it was obvious that your sentence about novice is a joke (and I don't find that picture cute btw :P). But see the point about pindicator above. I am not sure how much and what of your posts about him were jokes or meant serious. It might be that he is your top suspect but maybe he is just a player you like to joke around with, with no suspicion against him at all.

And with that said: You are not my top-lynch for tomorrow.
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Regarding Pindicator, I don't believe Uberfish would make a post restriction that forbid you of changing your votes after a certain point. It has the possibility of taking the fun away from the game and I think that's one of the things that is going a bit too far with Post Restrictions. So, I don't really believe Pindicator in that point.

Pindicator's votes on day 1 were also strange. The whole interaction between Zakalwe, flug and myself.

There was no point in pushing Pindicator yesterday, though. I'm not sure of his guilt and I'm the only one suspecting him, it seems. No point in just leaving my vote on him and not making anything useful with it.

We have to look at gazglum again, now that Gaius flipped villager. I'll reread his posts.

Meiz wolf? There's a chance.

Don't have any other good insights. It's worth taking a second look on Rowain too.
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(February 7th, 2013, 06:57)Ichabod Wrote: It's worth taking a second look on Rowain too.

Look but don't touch.

And some ramblings of an old man about some (some not all) travellers:
Azza: When he first appeared on novices-scumlist i was nodding my head in agreement. But then I started to reread his posts and so far I don't see him in the scum category

Bigger: I don't believe his I would have vigged Gaspar claim. I'm not sure I buy his mail but even if it is true it points more to Bigger beeing SK and killing Gaspar.

BrickAstley: I don't like his poem. And even less his comment right after the lynch. And when novice got heat for his jumping off Tas why not BRick too? But the later is of course more a question to Lewwyn

Gazglum: Currently no real read but not a good feeling.

Ichabod: Doubt he is scum.

Jkaen: Strange story to beginn with and very strange lapses of memory concerning who was sure abouta scum. Note that he does explain why he thought that Serdoa wanted to lynch novice but leaves his attack on me completly off. Loves to clump me and Serdoa together no matter if it is true or not. In short either he is extremly preoccupied or playing his worst game ever.

Lewwyn: Seem to leave the game very early. Usually he is longer online and posts. OTOH his cases on Molach and novice were high quality attacks.

Meiz: In love with Matt

Molach: rather innocent

Pindicator: Heavy postrestricted but I used that as a wolf before -impossing myself a "no more than 10 posts/day"-restriction which was not true. His play so far otoh makes me lean village

Qgqqqqq: A lot of infights (first with ryan then with molach inbetween with me and Serdoa) undecided.

Current top-lynch: Bigger (if we want to eliminate the most likely SK)
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