WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[BRickAstley]

BrickAstley[/b]: I don't like his poem. And even less his comment right after the lynch. And when novice got heat for his jumping off Tas why not BRick too? But the later is of course more a question to Lewwyn

Hahahaha, you don't like my poem? Is that based on taste or do you actually think there's something wrong with it?

My comment after lynch was rage at an idiotic mislynch.

And I explained, my switch to Meiz was because of feeling uneasy of his really quick pickup of the tasunke case, which once he killed him made sense. Though after this Gaius crap maybe I shouldn't give him a village pass anymore.

[Serdoa]

Here's the post where he puts Molach in the lead despite thinking he's town:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337659

He states that he does not feel that Molach holding back the QT is scummy in itself, but the way he presents it ("I haven't changed anything") is. I can agree with the latter half of that. He then votes for Molach because he suspects that one of flug, Ichabod, Jkaen and Molach has to be scum. Thats basing his vote on his subjective feeling for how uberfish has to create the game which is imo not very smart. Is it scummy though? I'm not sure - that certainly is something to discuss, but not something to lynch him over without giving him time to even react.

Not really. I agree Gazglum needs to be investigated. Mattimeo is still a good lynch imo. Ryan should just let himself get modkilled if he's village, it's impossible for him to jump in now without getting lynched eventually, I would think. I can see an Ichabod lynch, but only to get the village back on track. And I expect you to open up tomorrow, Rowain.

I don't agree with Ryan letting himself be modkilled. I think there is enough time left in this game that he can still show his villagerness. Of course if he feels that getting modkilled is better for himself, he should not feel forced to continue playing either.

[novice]

Here's the post where he puts Molach in the lead despite thinking he's town:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337659

He states that he does not feel that Molach holding back the QT is scummy in itself, but the way he presents it ("I haven't changed anything") is. I can agree with the latter half of that. He then votes for Molach because he suspects that one of flug, Ichabod, Jkaen and Molach has to be scum. Thats basing his vote on his subjective feeling for how uberfish has to create the game which is imo not very smart. Is it scummy though? I'm not sure - that certainly is something to discuss, but not something to lynch him over without giving him time to even react.

Be that as it may, he's certainly had time to react now, but his only defense has been this:

Ah, 'tis always fun to wake up to find myself being fitted for a noose...

Interesting to see the meta speculation vote against Molach brought up, but no mention made of the rather rapid disproval (or at least, removal of important assumptions the vote was based off) and subsequent unvote. I would have thought that, with the amount of other wild conspiracy theories being raised, would get some kind of mention.

Also, it's going to really suck when I get an actually engaging role (ie. scum) and I get lynched straight off the bat 'cause I'm being abnormally active as a result

Anyways. Self-preservation says novice.

[Serdoa]

Sorry novice, but I reread now his posts and ask myself: What did you expect? He made a vote based on meta-speculation (that out of 4 neighbours one has to be scum and Molach fitted best with his play) and when Jkaen revealed that he had lied about his bond with Ichabod, he retracted his vote because the meta-speculation was based on 4 neighbours, not 2. What exactly should he defend against? That he made a vote due to meta - he did, nothing to defend against there. That he didn't find Molachs handling of the QT itself scummy but voted him for other reasons he found scummy and meta-speculation? He did, again, nothing to defend against.

From my reading of your accusation, you seem to believe that he said "Molach is not scummy" and still voted him. But he said "Molach is not scummy for his handling of the QT, but he feels scummy for the way he tells us that he didn't change the QT". Thats not the same. I also do disregard reasonings given by others and point out that I don't agree with them on a certain point, but that doesn't mean that the player in question can't have done anything else that is scummy and lynchworthy.

[Jkaen]

Ok, I have calmed down a bit now. I think everybody in this game has somebody who's play style rubs them the wrong way, with me that's Rowain but I should not have reacted like that apologies.

On the bond thing I posted what I assumed was true at the time. I was wrong

[Meiz]

@Brick, I feel of course like shit for getting our Jailkeeper killed, but I don't think Gaius had much going on that spoke for his innocence. At the time it seemed so strange for Ichabod to switch away from Gaius when it didn't make much sense to me (Gaius was close to lynch as well, with time left). Ichabod had posted suspicions on Gaius, but none for Matt. I admit I was also high from the Tasunke kill, and too over confident (should know it's never that easy). But from my POV it was totally random lynch of Matt vs. Ichabod, but with Matt's switch to Gaius, I still had a chance to make sure that the other suspect of mine is lynched. There was no time to count who wins the tie.

[BRickAstley]

What the hell was the scum tell for Gaius no one ever answered me

[Meiz]

For me it was mostly his very neutral play, combined with his non-reaction to my big theory of Ichabod+Gaius pair (felt like he was unsure how to answer, and I imagined villager would have reacted even somehow to it) + Ichabod's switch away from him. Yes I was wrong, but at the time his lynch felt so much less random than Matt's.

[BRickAstley]

I can agree with less random than Matt's. But we had Ichabod down to rights.

[Meiz]

Matt switched to Gaius.... I would've kept on Ichabod if not for that.