WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[BRickAstley]

Well true but I feel Azza is scummier outright

I can agree with Pindicator after reading that that Matt needs to answer for some of those posts. I hadn't realized all of that he had done in day two. Chalk that up to my tunnel vision on novice.

[Serdoa]

BRick, are you kidding? Your argument for Azza being scum is that "you feel it" and

"He seems to have a big problem with Bigger, and a desire to save Ichabod, both of which have been coming under suspicion (or people are wanting to have under suspicion). So going fo Azza will also help us piece together notions about them."

How will that help us? If Azza flips village you know nothing. And if he flips scum you still don't know if Bigger is not the SK (which both villager and wolf would want to lynch) nor if Ichabod is village (Azza is known for going for his scum-buddies if he feels they deserve it). So no, lynching Azza will help us not at all imo.

I really don't like your post. It seems to be much more about having someone else for Gazglum to duel and much less about actually hunting scum. I'm already wary of you and that Ichabod brings up your name but in the end is never following it up. But worse than the part above is this one:

You know if you go down to a duel with Ichabod, it'll either result in:

1) Ichabod actually just being silly trolly town, or
2) People defending Ichabod and lynching you anyways.

So, there is no chance in your opinion that Ichabod is scum. None at all? Really? If you don't have a scan result, I really don't see how you can come to that conclusion. And I am the one being told he has tunnel vision...

@Gazglum

I would think dueling Ichabod is fine. But I would have a hard time deciding tbh, as I see several players I think are scummy but I'm not sure you'd win against.

[Azza]

1) True

2) I've been looking at Azza's posts, and I would be an advocate towards putting him under pressure.

His day one was almost exclusively entirely agreeing with the pretty much policy lynch on flug__auto, other than a little bit of debate on Meiz.

His day 2 was:
1) Saying to lynch Molach, which was an easy place to park.
2) Trying to pick at Bigger being the SK, which I couldn't see at all.
3) A last minute switch to Mattimeo, who doesn't seem to have anything especially damning.

And speaking of which:

In fact, I've convinced myself to vote for him.

Bigger

I'm uneasy about an Ichabod lynch. Might just be because I'm enjoying his roleplaying, but my gut says he's town.

Mattimeo

Azza is a poster of few words, which means that the ones that he does post, I would consider to have significance to them. He seems to have a big problem with Bigger, and a desire to save Ichabod, both of which have been coming under suspicion (or people are wanting to have under suspicion). So going fo Azza will also help us piece together notions about them. Plus, I just feel like Azza is scum, based on how he's played, how similar some of this is to the last game as scum where he floated around until the end, and my gut feeling.

So yeah Gazglum, I would offer up Azza as a choice for your duel.

Ok, but what have I actually done that's scummy? It's pretty much how I always play, regardless of alignment. Relatively quiet, pick my targets, and more or less stick with them.

[Jkaen]

Struggling to see why everybody is so certain there is a sk that chose not to kill last night. Surely a vig makes more sense.

I think it makes sense to take the duel and give us an extra lynch. Since I still prefer the case on mattimeo I would choose him

[Meiz]

I'd agree dueling Matt would be a good choice, since with his play style, it's impossible to get a good read on him. Gives more info than Azza.

Pindicator for now. I'll address his points after the lunch.

[Qgqqqqq]

Idk on dueling - predictably id go for my main target, but tbh I think we should save it.
@jkaen why is everyone taking these things so literally - this is role madness! They'll be weird roles and combos - I can't think of anyone who'd be willing to vig gaspar night 1 (a questionable. IMO - I probably wouldn't have voggedat all) yet unwilling to vig night 2 when pretty much everyone has strong leads.rescuing

[Gazglum]

Idk on dueling - predictably id go for my main target, but tbh I think we should save it.
@jkaen why is everyone taking these things so literally - this is role madness! They'll be weird roles and combos - I can't think of anyone who'd be willing to vig gaspar night 1 (a questionable. IMO - I probably wouldn't have voggedat all) yet unwilling to vig night 2 when pretty much everyone has strong leads.rescuing

Can serial killers choose not to kill?

Agree that a vigilante hitting Gaspar seems far fetched, he was cool as a cucumber.

Thanks for the input into my quixotic duel folks. Ill wait until tomorrow morn and launch it then, so about 9 hours from now. It would be nice to hear from mattimeo and ichabod before i do.

[Rowain]

The village, according to Bigger:

Uberfish made you think you were cool characters. You are all lemmings, people. All lemmings.

So...... You are appreciative of someone else playing around, but when I do it, it's a scum tell?

Ichabod made fun of himself (and all of us) you made fun of someone close to be lynched

Struggling to see why everybody is so certain there is a sk that chose not to kill last night. Surely a vig makes more sense.

One of them (SK or wolf) might have been blocked. One might have run into a defense (nightkill immune or similar). Both might have targetted the same. The SK might only be able to kill once perday-night and choose to behead Tas. The scum might have a delayed kill. The SK can only kill every second night.

Thats just some possibilities why we had only 1 kill but still have SK+scum.

[Rowain]

About the Duell

I would rather have you not use it Gazglum.

Fact is thanks to your claim you are most likely a villager (no not proven but the chances are higher now then before). If you use it on a villager you force the one to claim too. But contrary to the normal lynch where we can switch off and find another target ew have to chose between you (most likely villager) and your target (also villager). Don't see that as really good way.


About targets if you choose to go through with your plan:

I would prefer Bigger: He has already claimed his ability a claim which so far has not been validated. His I would have vigged Gaspar + his claimed "help me lynch Gaspar"-post do not fit with his D1. He is -IMO- the most likely SK.

Other mentioned targets:
Matt wouldn't give much. Not to mention while I can see Meiz beeing a wolf I can't see Matt beeing one with the last minute hopping that happened yesterday

Azza, Ichabod while both not terrible bad I don't see much info gathered by it. And in case of Ichabod I have a rather strong village lean.

[Rowain]

I'd agree dueling Matt would be a good choice, since with his play style, it's impossible to get a good read on him. Gives more info than Azza.

Yesterday you were so sure of his innocence that you hopped with him together onto GM - what happened that today you want him killed?