WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Serdoa]

I'm not sure if it is worth it to discuss that meta possibility of a SK. I mean sure, if you think you have a case, tell us. But discussing only the possibility that there could be a SK... honestly, thats just wasting time. Use that to hunt wolves, makes more sense.

That said, Rowain, care to explain your sentence from last night at 2300?

"Go away foul demons take me but not the little girl"

I thought you wanted to hint at something with that - but actually at what? Obviously not that you protected novice (is he the little girl? I have no clue about Dora...). It was also to late to get the wolves to switch their kill in the last minutes to you. So what was the purpose? I have an idea why you did that, but I'd rather have you spell it out.

[Molach]

Sick from work, so can post a bit.

I was gonna say that the duel-thing is probably a good thing for village.

Auric Lewwyn was Serial killer in FFH game (by uberfish too) mabye he knows if a SK can choose not to kill. I know some sites demand it, and if the SK doesn't send in a kill then one is randomly chosen.

SK can certainly be roleblocked, though.

* Gaspar died of germs from killing zakalwe
* Gaspar was vigged
* Gaspar was killed by the SK

Tonight:
* There is no SK
* SK decided not to kill/forgot to send kill order
* SK got prevented from killing by other actions

My view on the outcomes; 70% SK got prevented, 20% decided to not kill. And 10% no SK.

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For now I think Matt and Azza needs to step up more. Serdoa and Meiz I see as villagers, Q I think too (can't see his never letting go of voting me as smart wolf play). And a lot of neutrals, I keep thinging 'village' then 'what if...' so not settled yet. Lewwyn I noticed recently, his case on me set off the early lynch-train yesterday, and wolves don't like to be first. But suggesting novice claim a foolproof role hours before the lynch seemed stupid argument to me, and Lewwyn is not stupid. I will expect more today.

Vote might as well be on Matt, but want to spread the heat a bit. And there's the duel, telling who'll get picked for it. I would expect them to pre-defend a bit so as not to be targetted by duel and that will give more to get reads on.

[Meiz]

I'd agree dueling Matt would be a good choice, since with his play style, it's impossible to get a good read on him. Gives more info than Azza.

Yesterday you were so sure of his innocence that you hopped with him together onto GM - what happened that today you want him killed?

Where have I been sure of Matt's innocence? Yes, I preferred Ichabod and Gaius over him at the time.

[Rowain]

I would prefer if you could give me a good reason but if not I'll talk about it in say 40 minutes( to give other a chance to weigh in with their opinion).

[Rowain]

Above is directed at Serdoa

[Serdoa]

I am very certain that Meiz is a villager. There are some unknowns (thats also why I asked what you hinted at Rowain), but most likely due to what happened in the night he is villager. Heavily misguided I feel, but still villager.

I actually would agree with Rowain on Bigger being not a town-role (I don't care if SK or wolf). There is still no one claiming a PM and I did not get any information from uberfish that he simply missed sending it. Our jailer also would most likely have told us if he jailed Bigger or me. Also I'm 99% certain I wasn't jailed due to how uberfish told me that I still have the power I tried to use.

[Mattimeo]

pindicator:

flug vote - placed, stating an explanation is desired, midday Sun. Monday morning, get up before the lynch to find none has been forthcoming, so state my intention of keeping my vote in place. Really not sure how this is being construed as overtly suspicious behaviour...

Hadn't actually realised Gaspar raised such a point 'til you highlighted it. Interpret that how you will.

How was my Molach vote based on character in any way? Molach and flug had a publicly claimed (and effectively proven) neighbour link, and Jkaen had all but claimed some variety of role-based connection to Ichabod. The moment Jkaen revealed his connection to Ichabod was primarily assumption on his part, my entire meta-based case, which basically relied on there being two reasonably strong connected pairs, fell apart, so I promptly removed the vote based on it.

Doubly unsure how saying Molach is not playing in a way that would be productive for a wolf counts as casting suspicion on him. That was actually intended to convey a slight town lean on him, which I felt was a necessary foil to the fact I'd voted him earlier in the day.

Bringing up the fact no-one came up with any crazy conspiracy theories surrounding the fact I'd voted someone, then almost immediately jumped off again, was a snide jab at the even crazier theories that people had been bringing up as if they were remotely reasonable throughout the day. Such as two wolves teaming up to point out and publicly execute a third wolf. I mean, seriously. That's fucking insane.

[Meiz]

Responding to Pindicator, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid339178

"What made you change your mind, Meiz? Why vote Gaius over Ichabod 30min later?"
I'm not sure to what you refer here. I did vote Gaius in these events http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338478 and http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338485
And in the end.

The first vote, I did it because Ichabod voted Matt over Gaius, and I wanted to see how he reacts to my Gaius vote. He revoted Gaius, but also posted this: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338493
That caused alarm bells for me. Didn't understand why he was willing to vote him, but still saying how it wasn't really a good case. I'd expected he'd have some sort of idea behind his votes at that point, and it still feels odd that he didn't.

Rest of the day I spent on getting novice or Ichabod lynched, with Gaius coming in third place. You could say I was happy to lynch any of those. You're right to say that I was protecting Matt. At the time it felt right, because I had nothing to go against him. I didn't think his meta-vote for Molach and unvote soon after told anything significant.

You're saying I preferred saving of Matt over lynching of Ichabod, but lynching of Ichabod was not an option after Matt switched.

You said "You assumed Ichabod would swap to save himself, but he never did". I actually did, but I don't remember saying anything like that out loud. I was happily voting Ichabod, before Matt switched.

I feel like I've explained this before, but maybe it was unclear.

[Lewwyn]

Auric Lewwyn was Serial killer in FFH game (by uberfish too) mabye he knows if a SK can choose not to kill. I know some sites demand it, and if the SK doesn't send in a kill then one is randomly chosen.

If there is an SK then I doubt heavily, especially at this stage of the game, that a serial killer would always kill if they could.

For now I think Matt and Azza needs to step up more. Serdoa and Meiz I see as villagers, Q I think too (can't see his never letting go of voting me as smart wolf play). And a lot of neutrals, I keep thinging 'village' then 'what if...' so not settled yet. Lewwyn I noticed recently, his case on me set off the early lynch-train yesterday, and wolves don't like to be first. But suggesting novice claim a foolproof role hours before the lynch seemed stupid argument to me, and Lewwyn is not stupid. I will expect more today.

I'm not sure about you at this point Molach. I was pretty convinced you were scum earlier in the day 2, but you did a good job and novice actually helped me decide not to vote for you for now. As for suggesting Novice claim earlier. Yes. I think he should have claimed earlier. I don't think that is stupid because I wasn't moving and neither was bigger, meiz, or brick. Novice played pretty scummy IMO. So no I don't think its stupid to say I think Novice should have revealed earlier. He was in my estimation already a finalist on the block.

I've had a super busy day.

[Rowain]

@Lewwyn: Whom do you view as scum today? What is your opinion on the Duell? WHat is your opinion on the question Serdoa asked me?