Rowain, I'll make it easier for you to decide: I did swap Meiz and novice last night. Every action performed against novice would hit Meiz and vice versa. Unfortunately a one-time-use Anyway, I don't think I was roleblocked, so I assume someone tried to kill Meiz last night and hit novice because of my swap (which is hilarious in itself...). Thats why I am certain that Meiz is a villager. At least if not some other role interfered with that as well. And due to your sentence, I am not sure if or if not that was the case. What of course would be really helpful to know, because if Meiz is despite his play villager I can stop suspecting him and use my time for other players.
So, decide for yourself if revealing anything would help in this case or not. Though I personally believe that this action was outstanding enough that the wolves will have picked up on it anyway, so the question should be "Will it make things worse or not if you reveal?". Thats for you to decide.
(February 8th, 2013, 09:13)Serdoa Wrote: Rowain, I'll make it easier for you to decide: I did swap Meiz and novice last night. Every action performed against novice would hit Meiz and vice versa. Unfortunately a one-time-use Anyway, I don't think I was roleblocked, so I assume someone tried to kill Meiz last night and hit novice because of my swap (which is hilarious in itself...). Thats why I am certain that Meiz is a villager. At least if not some other role interfered with that as well. And due to your sentence, I am not sure if or if not that was the case. What of course would be really helpful to know, because if Meiz is despite his play villager I can stop suspecting him and use my time for other players.
So, decide for yourself if revealing anything would help in this case or not. Though I personally believe that this action was outstanding enough that the wolves will have picked up on it anyway, so the question should be "Will it make things worse or not if you reveal?". Thats for you to decide.
argh if thats the case, it's horrible. I don't understand your decosion at all... :F
(February 8th, 2013, 09:13)Serdoa Wrote: Rowain, I'll make it easier for you to decide: I did swap Meiz and novice last night. Every action performed against novice would hit Meiz and vice versa. Unfortunately a one-time-use Anyway, I don't think I was roleblocked, so I assume someone tried to kill Meiz last night and hit novice because of my swap (which is hilarious in itself...). Thats why I am certain that Meiz is a villager. At least if not some other role interfered with that as well. And due to your sentence, I am not sure if or if not that was the case. What of course would be really helpful to know, because if Meiz is despite his play villager I can stop suspecting him and use my time for other players.
So, decide for yourself if revealing anything would help in this case or not. Though I personally believe that this action was outstanding enough that the wolves will have picked up on it anyway, so the question should be "Will it make things worse or not if you reveal?". Thats for you to decide.
And why by the high heavens did you do that? It was clear that every watcher /defender etc was going to sit on novice and you led them all astray and our sure-fire villager getting killed?
(February 7th, 2013, 21:01)pindicator Wrote: WW20 - Day 3: Post 1
Been editing and adding to this for a while now. A couple of questions for some of our party-goers, and a couple observations:
(February 7th, 2013, 20:07)Lewwyn Wrote: pindicator, why is your countdown different on day 1 and day 2?
Also explain your vote on gaius.
The countdown is entirely of my own making; it is not stipulated by uberfish. My restriction is that I can only post 10 times per day/night cycle, it says nothing about needing to track them. I've done countdowns for my own reference and on day 1 I wanted to see reactions.
I believe you are mistaken about Gaius; I've never voted for him. I did speak about him in this post, but it was a post that looked at what he did as a Tasunke teammate and I decided that it didn't fit.
I did vote Mattimeo yesterday, if that's what you meant. I still think Mattimeo is our best lynch. More on that below.
And I don't believe jkaen's explanation for his, but I believe you have a reason for trusting him and I believe you're town.
I would only say judge me by the content of my posts, not by how many of them I make.
Certainly you've complained about the walls of text I've put out in day 1 - shouldn't that tell you I'm trying to get as much out as I can? What advantage can you see as me being scum and making up this post restriction and then (this is the key point) playing it like i have? It'd be one thing to make up a post restriction and then post little bits here and there. But I have not made anything up; instead I have tried to fit as much as possible into the space I have.
Now, I think these WOT posts have been a little detrimental because I don't see anybody acknowledging my points, so I will try to be a bit more honed in what I post today.
Ichabod, what are your thoughts about the evening discussions?
@Brick
What are your thoughts about Ichabod? You seemed upset he didn't get the noose yesterday. I expected you to go after him today. Do you still suspect him or just like Rowain more?
@Ryan
Good posts. Glad you're feeling better and really like what you said overnight. Well, i think you let things get a little personal when you responded to Bigger, but everybody falls into that trap now and then. Keep at it!
@Meiz
(February 6th, 2013, 16:55)Meiz Wrote: From where the hell did you pop up.
I lol-ed at work when i read that
But if you think Ichabod & Azza are a scum pair it would probably be the first time scum Azza has ever stuck his neck out to save a teammate.
And questions for you Meiz:
(February 6th, 2013, 15:26)Meiz Wrote: I don't really believe you Ichabod, you should know the posts you've made today.
My lynch order would be Ichabod -> Novice -> Gaius (who is lurking so much it hurts and his guilt depends so much on you alignment). So novice
What made you change your mind, Meiz? Why vote Gaius over Ichabod 30min later?
You do a last minute switch right after Mattimeo switches to Gaius. That reads like you care more about saving Mattimeo than you do lynching Ichabod.
That's the second time during day 2 that you gave a reason for killing someone that i don't like.
Here's what i suspect- i suspect you and Mattimeo are a pair that panicked at the end of the day when you saw that Mattimeo was going to lose the tie-breaker. I did the math overnight from Brick's post count before the day was almost done.
You saw Mattimeo couldn't save himself by swapping to Gaius alone, because he would have lost that tie-breaker too. The only way was if you both swapped to save him. So you both jump at the last moment to save Matt. With less than 5 minutes to figure this out I think there was a lot of stress on you both and it showed in the late swap.
Also, How can you call the Mattimeo case random and then never comment on the case when novice presents it that night? You still haven't commented on it; i think you hope it just goes away.
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But let's not put the cart before the horse. My suspicion of Meiz relies on Mattimeo being scum. It fits with Tasunke being batshit crazy (we still love ya Tas ) and doing a crazy gambit, but that's not enough for me to vote Meiz again. Yet if Mattimeo should flip scum, then I think Meiz would look really bad.
So we should look at Mattimeo. Novice suspected him and I think for good cause. There was some discussion with Serdoa disagreeing. But I don't agree with Serdoa's point.
He wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 12:04)Serdoa Wrote: Sorry novice, but I reread now his posts and ask myself: What did you expect? He made a vote based on meta-speculation (that out of 4 neighbours one has to be scum and Molach fitted best with his play) and when Jkaen revealed that he had lied about his bond with Ichabod, he retracted his vote because the meta-speculation was based on 4 neighbours, not 2. What exactly should he defend against? That he made a vote due to meta - he did, nothing to defend against there. That he didn't find Molachs handling of the QT itself scummy but voted him for other reasons he found scummy and meta-speculation? He did, again, nothing to defend against. .
That stood out to me as well Serdoa, but it stood out for a completely different reason. Because Mattimeo was not the first person to push that theory. From day 1:
(February 2nd, 2013, 01:59)Gaspar Wrote: Probably more pertinently that the players whose characters are from the same game have some link - i.e. the two cats in the last version of this game. So Rowain-Molach and Jkaen-Ichabod are probably associated somehow. Wouldn't be surprised to see uber give them the one good/one bad treatment.
I don't know why a villager would parrot Gaspar's argument without unpacking it and telling us why we should believe it first. Because why would a villager trust Gaspar's arguments enough to repeat them? But a scum teammate... I can see them parroting after Gaspar flipped as a slip, not realizing where they got it from b/c they don't distrust Gaspar like a villager naturally would.
My top suspect is Mattimeo
And if he flips scum then Meiz, because a team of Gaspar, Tasunke, Meiz, & Mattimeo does fit for me.
This is a good post, Pindicator. But, it's not unheard of villagers voting to save other villagers (i.e. you vote for player B not because he's suspicious, but because player A is not). I agree that Mattimeo is pretty dodgy, but, especially after Serdoa's claim, the Meiz - Mattimeo link can't be considered as a tell.
Do you think your case stands outside of this? I'm going to review Mattimeo's post later today.
Didn't understand the question you made for me. Can you be more specific?
(February 7th, 2013, 22:03)Qgqqqqq Wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 21:59)Bigger Wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 21:41)Gazglum Wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 21:03)Ichabod Wrote: It's hard having to defend against a case I don't see, Bigger. A case made behind the curtains, we could say.
Ichabod, you've been clearly (and very funnily) trolling the whole game. You've made lynch attacks on me, Mattimeo, GausMarius, Flug_Auto, Meiz, Pindicator, Zak, Gaspar and Bigger at least - and been stirring up Brick where possible too. Your chatter isn't really helping guide the village to any useful conclusions. Speaking personally, I'm finding your posts hilarious and deeply distracting at the same time, which I think is your point.
You might not be a wolf, but I'm thinking you might have a role that doesn't win with the town. If you do get lynched and turn up village, you will have cost us a day and brought it on yourself with your playstyle. It seems to me the question is - what is the case for NOT bumping you off?
If it could be done outside the normal lynch.
Hypothetically.
THANK YOU!!! LISTEN TO THIS POST!
it is possible ichabod is a survivor, or some other independent character. but there is no doubt he is anti-town.
Stop presenting op[inions as fact.
There is doubt, and your looking at some of it.
Bigger and Gazglum say I'm being anti-town. I think i'm only trying to add a bit of color to the game and that my roleplay doesn't hinder or help the town. Besides, I voted for a lot of people because I suspected a lot of people. I'm not hiding. Typical wolf play, at least in my opinion, is just find a target and stick to it for the longer it's possible.
Thanks, Qgqqqq. Even though I see you also find me unhelpful in your later posts...
I am Guybrush Threepwood, Mighty Pirate and INSULT DUELIST.
Once in the game I can trigger a duel with another player. As well as fun roleplaying an insult match, it means we get a 2nd Lynch Vote that day - but one that is only between me and my target. Neither of us can then be in the main lynch for the day.
So basically it gives us 2 chances to lynch today.
Obviously the drawback is that I could end up dueling another villager, but still better that than wasting a day's lynch on a villager. But I don't want to take that plunge entirely on my own - so I would like feedback from the village about who would make a good target.
My preference is Ichabod - first of all, as Bigger and I are saying, I don't think he's being very helpful in finding us wolves. I understand not wanting to waste a lynch when other wolves are almost certainly lying low, but this way we could still try to sniff out someone. I also think that knowing Ichabod's alignment for certain would help us on targets like Pindicator.
I don't want to have a third day ending with Ichabod on the block and everyone dancing around madly and arguing while he cackles. It sucks up oxygen that we could use in hunting others.
Also, come on, Morte is the greatest insulter in Role Playing Games, Guybrush the King of Adventure games. It would be awesome.
However, I'm open to other ideas. And if everybody would rather lynch me than Ichabod, then I'd rather not start a duel only to get myself killed by the skull, so perhaps people could warn me in advance if they think I'm definitely scummier than Ichabod (to which I would reply , but each to their own!).
PS: Drawback is that I have to pick my target before the first 24 hours are up, so I'll have to pick about 16 hours from now at the latest. I think having exposed my credentials, I need to use them today or risk 'falling overboard' tonight.
The fact that you had to claim this and ask for village help before using it shows you have no guts, monkey boy!
Insult dueling aside, I actually find your claim interesting. Trying to find a case where you'd be certain to win and lynch another villager, eh (just saying this to make people realize that this isn't a clearing for your alignment)? Either way, I find that using your power now is bad and I wonder why you claimed it if you are a villager.
Besides, tomorrow is my birthday. You wouldn't want to lynch me in my birthday. (By the way, i'll be away most of the day tomorrow).
(February 7th, 2013, 23:54)BRickAstley Wrote: You know if you go down to a duel with Ichabod, it'll either result in:
1) Ichabod actually just being silly trolly town, or
2) People defending Ichabod and lynching you anyways.
(February 7th, 2013, 23:55)Gazglum Wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 23:50)Mattimeo Wrote:
(February 7th, 2013, 22:48)Bigger Wrote: good fucking grief.
Lynch Icky please!
I would, but his trolling is making the game actually worth sticking around for
Though if forced to chose in a duel, I'd probably keep gazglum over him.
I know...I feel bad about the thought of depriving us all of Ichabod, but it would at least give him 36 hours to bring out his best shots.
I think people complaining about my roleplay and trying to use it as an argument for the game are more disruptive to our dear village than I am. But that's just me...
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Pindicator did a good job with his attack on Mattimeo. If he had made it before Lewwyn and I voted for him, I think he'd be in a very good villager position. The way it happened, though, makes me think he might have just made a good case as a wolf to save himself.
This makes all the situation difficult, because I still suspect Pindicator, but I think his case on Mattimeo is pretty good. I'll have to reread things.
Lewwyn for now. His also part of the big knot of suspects, because he suspects one of my suspects, Pindicator, who suspects the other suspect Mattimeo (take that sentence, damn village). It's always very difficult to vote for someone that claimed to be very busy, but I'll just try to ignore this completely, less I won't be able to vote for Lewwyn (and a lot of other people too this game). But I think Lewwyn has been too quiet, of little insights besides his main cases (one of which was on novice, a already suspected on day 1 villager) and generaly making comments that seem out of place (like the "any good SK would avoid a night kill from time to time" one - sounds like scum not wanting us to realize there isn't a SK).
Brick looks bad and I have to review him, stop slacking of on it. Bigger is just misguided, I think. He should stop giving advices everytime he talks to someone and listen a bit to the advices we give him: "I'm innocent, fairy girl!"
(February 8th, 2013, 07:49)Rowain Wrote: @Lewwyn: Whom do you view as scum today? What is your opinion on the Duell? WHat is your opinion on the question Serdoa asked me?
I think Gaz should duel either Matt or Ichabod. I can't decide right now on pin. I think Azza is village lean. I think Meiz is innocent. I can't tell on Bigger. Brick, village lean. Ryan village lean. Just had a thought to lean scum on Q.
But hunestly I need tmorrow to read and reevaluate. All family and booze today.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(February 8th, 2013, 09:44)Ichabod Wrote: Insult dueling aside, I actually find your claim interesting. Trying to find a case where you'd be certain to win and lynch another villager, eh (just saying this to make people realize that this isn't a clearing for your alignment)? Either way, I find that using your power now is bad and I wonder why you claimed it if you are a villager.
Additionally: It's effectively a vig shot when used intelligently. Making it the third suspected vig ability discovered this game. Seems to be a few too many of them floating around for them to all be on the same team...
-- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
-- As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
Anyway, I don't think I was roleblocked, so I assume someone tried to kill Meiz last night and hit novice because of my swap (which is hilarious in itself...). Thats why I am certain that Meiz is a villager. At least if not some other role interfered with that as well. And due to your sentence, I am not sure if or if not that was the case. What of course would be really helpful to know, because if Meiz is despite his play villager I can stop suspecting him and use my time for other players.
) and doing a crazy gambit, but that's not enough for me to vote Meiz again. Yet if Mattimeo should flip scum, then I think Meiz would look really bad.
, but each to their own!).
