WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Bigger]

I just went through the list of live people to see who I've missed. Pretty much Bigger has been in my blind spot all game. He has been following me a bit. Buddying up. And I think the case against Molach has less weight. Not sure I would return to it. I think its a bit of a safe place to vote atm.

pls explain why the scan of Molach now has less weight. Also I've been buddying you because you have made good arguments and are obviously putting effort into scum hunting.

look, someone eventually is going to receive one of my messages (or else, scum roleblocker will target me every night, which is probably a win for the village anyway). If I'm telling the truth it would be ridiculous to think I am scum/wolf. And voting for someone because they might be SK before day 5 is just silly - SK's tend to get themselves killed eventually, and there really hasn't been any evidence that there even is a SK anyway.

tbh Gaz, I'm not sure I believe matt's claim. matt, are you saying you delayed brick on night 1 and lewwyn night 2? well the lewwyn is irrelevant, he said he didn't do anything. if you delayed brick on night one it would only delay his scan of lewwyn (which he should have now anyway) not his scan of ichabod. he should have gotten "no result" on night 1, and results on both of them night 2.

Brick is that what happenned?

matt & Brick - can you comment on this please? I'd like to understand exactly what happenned before I form an opinion.

[Bigger]

screw it, I'm impatient. I have to flip-flop on mattimeo.

I didn't have a village read on him previously, but didn't see a scum read either. Rather he was playing just like he played every game (not really doing much, not scum effectively scum hunting or defending himself adequately) and honestly just felt like it was too easy, like he was being railroaded like he had been many games before as a villager.

But his role-claim just stinks.
It doesnt make sense. if it delays the victim's actions a turn, then Brick should have gotten a correct result on Lewwyn by day 3, when he got his result on Ichabod. (Brick if thats what happenned please speak up). And his claim feels just like ww16, where he gave a correct claim to escape a lynch but was actually scum.

Further, his role is just terrible as a villager. I can't see anyway it could benefit the village. If he really was village he would have been better off just not using his ability. Uber likes to discourage meta, but I have a hard time believing he would give such an anti-town role to a townie. on the other hand, it would be useful but not overpowering for a scum.

I also find it suspicious that he's trying to twist his actions to say Brick's scan on Ichabod is innaccurate. By his own admission he didn't target Brick on day 2, and there's nothing in Matt's role that would cause brick to get a false result anyway.
I'm convinced now Ichabod is innocent now, and his weak attempt to get us to lynch Ichabod despite Brick's scan results is a red flag.


I still think Molach is scum, and will vote for him again once matt is dead. but the evidence against Matt is stronger now, imo.

I'm pretty sure (I know, I know, not 100%) Lewwyn, Brick, meiz, serdoa, Ichabod and Rowain are innocent. lean that way on Pindicator and ryan as well. I think I'm pretty close to catching the remaining scum by process of elimination .

[BRickAstley]

Hold up let me figure out what's going on

[Qgqqqqq]

Isn't the idea to delay a scam kill? (And if so, possibly catch a scam?)

[BRickAstley]

Okay, so if I have this right:

Night 1 a) Rowain supposedly stole the "results" of my night read. That's why I got no result.
Night 1 b) Mattimeo supposedly delayed the results of my night one action.

Well, I got a response night 1 that only said "no result". Night 2, I only got one response, and it specifically said that Ichabod was "aligned with the town". That seems pretty clear to me that if Rowains ability is true, then he stole my read, and whatever Mattimeo sent my way didn't affect me.

[BRickAstley]

Rowain also posted the results of his "ability steals" exactly at deadline by timestamp. It seems like that would require some odd setup with über fish sending on results right at deadline and Rowain immediately posting?

[BRickAstley]

After reading all of this, I feel like either

1) Mattimeo is scum
2) Rowain and Lewwyn are scum.

I would say that I think case one is more accurate, based on how scummy mattimeos role and usage/description of it is. However! Why would Rowain be attacking me so much, when he knew he stole an ability result from me that looks exactly like seer, I mean come on scum wouldn't ever have a seer?

[Bigger]

Brick - hmm, I have an idea why he would do that, but I'll let Rowain answer first.

[pindicator]

WW 20 - Day 3: Post 5


@Brick
Kind of the worst of both worlds there. Tough luck. Hilarious timing though But if you got a village read on Ichabod then that explains why you swapped your stance on him so quickly. It also explains some other stuff...

Gazglum

I don't think you're scum, but Ichabod is confirmed village unless we have a Brickabod scum team. And one of you and Ichabod has to die, so not left with much choice here.

I'm sure Brick's telling the truth, but I don't think you're really serious when you suggest a Brickabod team anyway


@Qgqqqq

Checking in.
Erm the whole ichabod/gazglum debacle is hilarious, though very has for town.
I'm a bit uneasy about the no result on lewwyn - perhaps GM protected him N1?
I'm getting more and more suspicious of bigger presently I just don't get his reactions to some of my posts.

However Id first like to hear what the general populace thinks about molach .,
Do people think I'm just blowing bot air and should shut up about him, or is he just power on peoples priorities for lynching?
I'm reminded of something someone said yesterday - just because he case hasn't changed doesn't make it any less valid - I guess I'm just not seeing any improvement on molachs part - Im still getting the same impression from his posts, Nd not seeing him help any.
I find the implications of aerdoas claim on the mwiz case interesting. While I don't think he should be cleared by any means, u think any train should be shelved for the moment.

I dislike the way azza keeps getting raised and then abandoned without any traction, I get the feeling that he's being subtly pushed for a scam bus later on.

[Composed agree the uberfush votecount ]

You seem to be pretty okay with voting for Bigger's target despite him being your top suspect.

Also, Bigger being ranty is the Bigger I've been begging to come back for several games, so I'm quite happy to see him doing that


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@Matty-Matt:

matt, ar eyou saying you targetted Brick for delay? why on earth would you do that?

On night 1?

Had random minor suspicions, and went for the chance of 'maybe he'll be the wolf to take the shot tonight'.
Pretty much the same reasoning for going Lewwyn on night 2. Any particular reason you fell the need to question one of the targets, but not the other?

If you had these suspicions then why is this the first time you've ever mentioned brick as a suspicious character? Shouldn't you have voted him day 2? Instead you voted Molach right away (#609 - memorized that b/c I've referenced it so much)

Still want to know your suspects... Why aren't you answering this?
You haven't voted aside from "self defense" or "revenge" voting since early day 2, and those are such easy votes to make. I want to see you build a case. And I don't believe you suspected Brick because you've never mentioned him before. Well, you did respond to him early day 2:

Hey Lewwyn and Mattimeo, you're both under 10 posts total so far, and this game is pretty active. What are you thinking?

I was thinking several things:
a) oh hey, Day 1. Usual shitfest. Let's wait 'til there's, you know, *any* actual information before jumping on stuff I'm pretty terrible at reading in the first place.
b) damn, this summer subject I'm doing is requiring rather more effort than I was expecting.
c) k, have time for forums. What to do? DnD character setup, or werewolf? DnD character setup looks to have better returns in both short and long term. Maybe when there's enough data in werewolf for me to analyse the hell out of the meta, or go stupid WIFOM.

d) anyways, doesn't matter if everyone dies, I can go back to the start of the month and begin again. With knowledge that might actually be useful immediately for once

That doesn't sound like you suspect him to me

Mattimeo


Gazglum, it seems like the only times I don't use Preview are the times when it bites me as well. Have fun with your last day. And keep the thoughts and insults both coming while you can.

[BRickAstley]

Mattimeo