WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Azza]

I have an additional part to my role. It's much more valuable if I don't say what it is.

[Qgqqqqq]

Do you lose it if you claim?

Are you calling for a mass claim jkaen?

[Jkaen]

No I am not calling for a mass claim, I just wanted to understand and summarise for myself what has already been claimed, and confirm if azza had soemthing else other than the post restriction (which pind had already indicated he did)

[Jkaen]

Hmm I just realised, why is it the Europeans always die so early in these games!

Anyway
Serdoa (3) - ?, Azza, Jkaen
Azza (2) - Lewwyn, Bigger
Molach (1) - Qg
Lewwyn (1) - Ryan
Meiz (1) - Serdoa

Note we have made no comment on the Serdoa extra vote atm. Either somebody alive has the ability to use an extra vote, which I would have suspected to be a day power (the timing of this makes it clear to me its a night power). Or the option I like is that in killing whichever target was Serdoa's last night they had part of their power that put a posthumous vote on their killer

[Meiz]

The reason I've asked about Pind is that he's one of the few players left, that haven't really given the "hmm, he looks town" feeling. Call it a vibe, since there is not much evidence from votes, we haven't actually lynched a wolf yet. On the day I shot Tasunke, he had collected a lot of votes quickly, and we get to:

Tasunke (6) - Brick Jkaen Novice Rowain Q Meiz
Molach (3) - Azza Lewwyn Meiz
Ichabod (2) - Bigger Gazglum
Gazglum (1) - Molach

Pindicator's post http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337875 seems like a rushed vote, "oh this too" and makes me think he was in a hurry to get onto Tasunke train.

Other than that, I find it slightly suspicious how he found novice so innocent.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338165
"I actually think novice is town. And that post at the end of day 1 is something that novice has said before in previous games."
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid338539
"Novice and ichabod have both shown more effort and intention in trying to hunt scum today."

Ok, maybe he's better at reading him than the rest of us, but it's also possible that he in fact knew it and collected town points. A lot of people thought novice was acting strange, but Pind knew better, without really pointing out details for the rest of us. I don't remember neither novice or Ichabod having any good cases on day 2.

So if you have some villager tells on Pind, please point them out. Pindicator for now

[Meiz]

From Molach voters, replace my name with Tasunke.

[Jkaen]

Meiz,

Since you are on, any thoughts on the ghost vote on Serdoa?

[Lewwyn]

So if you have some villager tells on Pind, please point them out. Pindicator for now

I have no villager tells on Pindicator.

[Ryan]

*deep breath*

Okay let me try and explain what I am saying. Now , mattimeo wrote this :


(February 8th, 2013 15:46)BRickAstley Wrote:
N1 I scanned Lewwyn, and got a "no result".
You should have gotten the result of that scan first thing night 2. Sorry about that.

Though if you only got one result night 2, my ability works differently to how I expected. Regardless: if you only got one result night 2, that read should have been the result on Lewwyn, delayed 'til night 2.

Second night I targetted Lewwyn. Given the kill that seemed obviously sourced from wolves, and I'm not entirely convinced about the existence of a serial killer, I figured it best to wait 'til whatever I'd delayed was actuallt processed to draw conclusions.

Ability summary: Any actions that target player takes during the current night are delayed 'til the subsequent night.
I'd assumed this meant they got both nights actions occurring on the second night, but if BRick only got one read on night 2, that appears to not be the case.

(February 8th, 2013 17:11)Bigger Wrote:
I'm assuming from above that Rowain didn't get it. I really can't think of any reason for him to lie, even if he was a wolf. So I assume a role-blocker is trolling me. And to tbh, I'm fine with that.
I totally considered doing that for the lulz


TL;DR: need more info from BRick, but Ichabod is not necessarily confirmed town.

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Now this is how mattimeo mentioned his targets and theory. No 2nd kill happened on n2. Which means that an ability must have affected that. By chance mattimeo said that he might suspect lewwyn due to that. But it's to early to tell. Night 2 happened and Ichabod said That he can taunt and force actions and he taunted lewwyn.

The next part alot of you don't agree with but please be open minded here. Rowain as a martyr protected Ichabod after he said that. Ichabod got targeted due to the taunt. Rowain died instead of him.

You guys are correct about your post theories but this is day 4 this is the closest thing we have to an assumption based on powers. Please don't throw this away. Even if he isn't sk I think you guys need to see that thier is a clear reflection btw 1 death n2 and what happened last night. Please make this lynch count.

[Meiz]

Since you are on, any thoughts on the ghost vote on Serdoa?

I'm not sure if there's much point on guessing. What did you mean by "killing whichever target was Serdoa's last night they had part of their power that put a posthumous vote on their killer" ? Serdoa killed last night and his victim put a vote on him? Seems far fetched.