WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Jkaen]

I think its perfectly believable (not saying its 100% true) that uber came up with a role to give to Rowain that meant if his target was killed during the night then rowain would die instead and place a vote on the killer (If you want to RP it then Rowains struggles were load and drew attention towards the death where seombody who could have been serdoa was seen leaving)

If rowains only power was, as we are assuming, that he could have himself killed instead of the intended target why would he ever use it? There has to be another upside. Now in a previous game we have had it reveal the killer, but that was deemed as too powerful. What if that has now been degraded to give an extra vote rather than a full reveal, which still gives Rowain a good reason to sacrifice himself while leaving the trail slightly less obvious

[Jkaen]

If anybody wants to admit to the spare vote then please go ahead and I will re-examine this theory, otherwise i think we have a smoking gun

[Ryan]

That makes sense but doesn't explain the no kill on n2 Jkean. Your idea makes a lot of sense.

[Lewwyn]

@Ryan - Did you read this?

Night two it said "Ichabod is aligned with the town" and there is zero chance that means anything else WHY DO YOU THINK IM LYING ABOUT IT GRAAAAHHHHHHH

So Matt was wrong about the effect on Brick's scan.

Now you are suggesting that Rowain died because of Ichabod's taunt, but Ichabod was basically confirmed villager, he was a likely target no matter if he taunted me or not. You don't think its possible Ichabod was targeted by scum or the SK? You would have the same result as what your suggesting. And again, how do you know that Rowain himself wasn't targetted?

Additionally Mattimeo using the delay on me is only 1 possible reason that we only had 1 kill N2. Here are some others:

1) Scum and SK doubled up.
2) Sk can only kill every other night.
3) Either Scum or SK was blocked.
4) Either scum or SK targeted someone who was protected.

You are disregarding all of these possible reasons and focusing on me. To ignore all these possibilities is ridiculous. I'm not sure how else to get you to realize this.

[Lewwyn]

@Jkaen I think your theory is possible. Partly because I think Serdoa is the SK.

[Jkaen]

Lewwyn, if you think Serdoa is the SK then why are you not voting for him?

Kill the SK we stop 1 source of night kills. Kill a scum (if Pind is scum) we are still probably facing 2 kills tonight

[Serdoa]

Gah, lost my post... anyhow, in short, that "ghost vote" is mine. I do have another power as well a double vote. Yes, I do have 5 powers total, 2 of them post restrictions. N1 Post restriction, N2 changing Meiz and novice, N3 putting that vote on myself. I used this because I didn't know whom to hit with a double-vote and post restrictions didn't seem to make much sense. Certaintly not if I had to put a vote on myself later on when we are maybe at 2 wolves, 3 villagers and getting me killed and village losing. I do have to use a power each night, if I don't it will be randomly chosen and assigned. My PM only stated that I win with the town.

And I am fucking emotional. Whoever said I am faking this: I have never done that and will never do it. Actually it is the opposite, had I posted what I felt after pindicators post I would probably be banned now.

@Jkaen: Don't get lost in your theory please. Look at my whole play over the last days and tell me that I am a wolf or a SK. My play makes no sense for either. The reveal of my power alone is nothing either wolf or SK would do. Butting heads with everyone is not what wolf nor SK would do. Makes it too likely that someone is just being pissed and kills you regardless. At least if you play half decent and are a good kill anyway.

So, I wonder, is anyone going to make a case on me now, or are we stuck with

1) I think he is SK (no reason given why)
2) I think the doublevote is Rowain putting that vote on him (see above, thats mine)
3) I don't care, I just don't like him (though luck, I don't like you either)

And no, I don't really expect anyone to make a better case. I expect that you guys will just vote me off, cry around a little bit and after the game tell yourself lies about how I played so obviously scum that you really could never have expected me to be village. Because that is what villagers on RB do best - telling themselves that they are certainly never responsible for bad reads, it is always the others.

[Azza]

Do you lose it if you claim?

I don't lose it, but I have very good reasons not to be more specific. You'll have to trust me on this.

[Lewwyn]

Because that is what villagers on RB do best - telling themselves that they are certainly never responsible for bad reads, it is always the others.

Speak for yourself.

[Jkaen]

Gah, lost my post... anyhow, in short, that "ghost vote" is mine. I do have another power as well a double vote. Yes, I do have 5 powers total, 2 of them post restrictions. N1 Post restriction, N2 changing Meiz and novice, N3 putting that vote on myself. I used this because I didn't know whom to hit with a double-vote and post restrictions didn't seem to make much sense. Certaintly not if I had to put a vote on myself later on when we are maybe at 2 wolves, 3 villagers and getting me killed and village losing. I do have to use a power each night, if I don't it will be randomly chosen and assigned. My PM only stated that I win with the town.

And I am fucking emotional. Whoever said I am faking this: I have never done that and will never do it. Actually it is the opposite, had I posted what I felt after pindicators post I would probably be banned now.

@Jkaen: Don't get lost in your theory please. Look at my whole play over the last days and tell me that I am a wolf or a SK. My play makes no sense for either. The reveal of my power alone is nothing either wolf or SK would do. Butting heads with everyone is not what wolf nor SK would do. Makes it too likely that someone is just being pissed and kills you regardless. At least if you play half decent and are a good kill anyway.

So, I wonder, is anyone going to make a case on me now, or are we stuck with

1) I think he is SK (no reason given why)
2) I think the doublevote is Rowain putting that vote on him (see above, thats mine)
3) I don't care, I just don't like him (though luck, I don't like you either)

And no, I don't really expect anyone to make a better case. I expect that you guys will just vote me off, cry around a little bit and after the game tell yourself lies about how I played so obviously scum that you really could never have expected me to be village. Because that is what villagers on RB do best - telling themselves that they are certainly never responsible for bad reads, it is always the others.

Ok, lets see.

You have 5 powers, each one use and you have to use one each night. By my maths this game could easily have lasted till night 6 (and maybe still could) which makes me wonder what you do then.

You chose to only reveal you placed that vote on yourself after I find my theory

You could place the extra vote on whoever you feel is most guilty (amased you would not have used that on Ichabod N1 rather than a post restriction you have not specified who it is on)

You have to use a power each night, yet you had you post restriction since day 1, not day 2, hence why didnt you have another use of a power night 1?

Butting heads is nothing a wolf would do? Wise man once say

When did I hear the last time "wolf would never do that"? Oh yeah, every game.

I think that is enough holes poked in your reveal for now