WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[uberfish]

Serdoa (3) - Azza Jkaen
Pindicator (2) - Lewwyn MEiz
Azza (1) - Bigger
Lewwyn (1) - Serdoa
Q (1) - Molach

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[Jkaen]

uber you have 2 seperate listings for serdoa

[Ryan]

uber you have 2 seperate listings for serdoa

And I voted for lewwyn lewwyn

[Lewwyn]

Ryan, I admit I have issues following you on all points, so thinking on my own about it, that seems to be the most likely happening for the night actions:

N1:

Mattimeo gets jailed.
Wolfs and SK kill Gaspar and zak

N2:

Mattimeo delays Lewwyn
Wolfs kill novice by trying to kill Meiz

N3:

Lewwyn decides not to kill, his delayed kill on Rowain goes trough
Wolfs kill BRick

What do you think about that? What do others think? Because that certainly seems to make sense for me, especially as the targets are exactly those players Lewwyn fears.

If mattimeo got jailed why didn't Brick's scan give an answer on my alignment N1? You are really ridiculous. You guys are just making shit up to try and fit a theory.

I'm going to bed.

[Ryan]

Tasunke could have blocked brick night 1. We don't know how it functions if the seer gets blocked. Saying your going to sleep and we are wired. Exact same thing you did last day. Afking won't stop the lynch.

[Molach]

Q (1) - Molach

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I'm not voting for anyone atm.

With what I just have in my head now I would probably vote for Azza right now, but I'll do reads on all later on so no need to be hasty. Later on tonight.

Serdoa, Q and Bigger were voting for me earlier, and promised to do it tomorrow if someone else should get lynched today. So either both are scum and have decided to pick on me, or I and Q are scum together and it is distancing? Just wondering about the (bigger OR molach) bit in your last post.

And in general I think a SK would appear town, so some of my village reads really means 'not scum'. It's a good idea in general to write whether we think our vote is going to scum or SK, like some already are doing. Lynching SK is best case for today, will cut down on nightkills, but not really sure how to best find one...noone to cover for, can do real scumhunting appearing village.

[pindicator]

I'm off to work, but I'll throw this up quick.

Meiz-

I couldn't see how you all thought novice was scummy. Still can't. But I was sure Mattimeo was scummy and look how that turned out also.
Regarding the Tasunke vote, I wrote that from my phone at work. I know there's no evidence to this but when I started putting that post together there were only 3 votes on Tas.

Lew-

What's with the changing stance on me? You're saying you have no town reads on me when earlier in the game you were complimenting me.

I'm concerned that we've only seen you active twice all game. Once when you attacked novice and now here. And this push on Serdoa as SK seems very unfounded.

Re: Serdoa
You're nuts if you think he's the SK. He may be lashing out and angry, but why would he think either way if he was the SK? Everything's going his way at this point. No, the SK is someone keeping very calm and composed right now. Someone who thinks they just need to keep on keeping on, not being too town and not appearing too scummy.

I may disagree with him and think he's acting like a child here, but he's not scum. That is pretty obvious from his reactions last night and today.

Re: Azza
I re-examined his posts and I don't think he's scum. He doesn't give much to work off so I'm less sure than Serdoa, but he is so much more open in his posting than he was the last two games he drew scum. I think he's a convenient target, and if he's scum then he's really changed his game up.


Serdoa-

I can see Q as a possibility.
Lewwyn only makes sense as SK to me if the SK has an "all night actions that target you will fail" and if he can kill every other night. But that's a lot of speculation.

Gotta go to work
80%

[Ichabod]

Ichabod-
Interesting reveal. This should put Bigger in the clear about his ability claim. Share or don't share the message at your discretion, but if you can share the intent behind it and your interpretations of the intent of the message that would be helpful.

2nd, did Lewwyn do anything last night? Obviously he didn't kill

3rd, what do you think about jkaen? Rowain was right that jkaen hasn't been the same since he revealed. Now, it has been the weekend and jkaen was absent weekend's last game. But a big reason why I backed off on jkaen day 2 was because you seemed very confident he was innocent, enough that I suspected a link between you two (yes, Serdoa, I know what they said...) or at least that you had some knowledge of jkaen

2. I don't know. If Lewwyn used a power, it's likely that he got the results, but I wouldn't be warned about it. Bigger is likely the only Power Role that I could actually get the result after using my abiility.

3. I have no links to jkaen, nothing is hinted in my PM about it. Gotta reread his posts, no opinion now.

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Everyone needs to remember that Bigger's message didn't get through to Serdoa on night 1. I can't remember exactly what each power role claimed, so i can't say how this fits. But we have to guess that:

1. Bigger could have been the roleblocked person on night 1.
2. Serdoa or Bigger were jailed on night 1 (very possible that it was Serdoa, I wouldn't expect his pwoer role not to be wasted only because of Zak's death - it seems to be the wrong order).

If Sedoa was jailed night 1, Mattimeo wasn't jailed. So either Brick was roleblocked or there's another thing avoiding the scan on Lewwyn. Like SK being not-scannable (highly likely, IMO - what's the point of adding a SK role if you can get scanned on night 1!). I wouldn't doubt that Lewwyn is one time night kill immune too... Or something... (yeah, I spilled that I think Lew is the SK, but I'm not that sure).

What doesn't fit with the theories is this: Why would Rowain protect me as martyr (considering it's a protection role) and not Brick? That'd be a very bad idea...

[Serdoa]

As for post #1528 what happened to me and Meiz being scum?

I was wrong? Not that I remember that I ever pushed hard for you, but thats beside the point. I mean that is not the first time I adjust my reads - I do that quite often, more often than appears in the thread.

@Lewwyn

Any reason why you ignore my bit about Tasunke?

@Molach

Hadn't looked at that. Sorry, but I didn't go through everyone as thoroughly as when I do a case on someone. It was just who was left. For example, Meiz I had the feeling could be SK. But if I look at how the actions most likely happened, at least with the infos we have, it means that wolves tried to kill him. Doesn't make him non-SK but makes him certainly non-wolf. And SK just fits for Lewwyn much better with all the play + the info about the night-actions.

@pindicator

Why do you always get so unfriendly? Is it necessary to tell me I'm nuts just because you disagree? Anyway, can you please explain what you mean with that:

"He may be lashing out and angry, but why would he think either way if he was the SK?"

Did you mean why he would do either of that if he was SK? Because I honestly don't see him doing that. He does the same as Q, using Ryan as shield because they know he gets emotional and upset when they do that. Its extremely easy to get in a fight with Ryan and then sit back and say "I'll not going through that, I log off to cool down". And like that, they won another day. Please, read through Qs posts and tell me you don't see that. Lewwyn imo just copied it (and might be angry as well and try to weaken Ryans case by calling him out, so that he doesn't has to answer to the actual case).

As for how he could be SK, I'll do it again for everyone:

N1:

Tasunke blocks BRick -> no result on Lewwyn
Gaius blockcs Mattimeo -> no delay on BRick
Wolfs kill zakalwe
SK (Lewwyn) kills Gaspar

N2:

SK (Lewwyn) kills Rowain -> Mattimeo delays Lewwyn, no nightkill
BRick scans Ichabod -> innocent Ichabod
wolfs kill Meiz -> Serdoa switches Meiz and novice, novice dies (Meiz definitely not wolf)

N3:

SK does not kill -> delayed nightkill on Rowain (had Lewwyn killed we would have had 3 kills and Lewwyn would have been obvious)
wolfs kill BRick

The targets make perfect sense for wolves as for the SK, if the SK is Lewwyn, as he would not want neither Gaspar nor Rowain around much longer. They can read him.

If you think that is dumb pindicator, then please point out why.

[Ichabod]

I like your SK theory, Serdoa, but take a look at my post above: how do you explain Bigger not being able to pass his message on night 1? I think this fits with a not-blocked Brick and an Immune to scry SK.