WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Ryan]

He's being exactly what he did hours ago , yesterday , pre yesterday when he was being tunneled on. He's keeping my vote.

[Azza]

Btw: Meiz, Azza, any reason you guys are not even interested in talking with Lewwyn about his claim? I mean since when have we started not even questioning stuff like that and just accepting it as soon as it is posted?

This role is very easy for him to prove. I'm willing to give him a night to do so.

What about possible alignment changes? What about telling us he got jailed? Just asking. I'm not really interested to convince someone right now, but I really want your opinion on the points I brought up about this role-claim.

At worst, letting SK Lewwyn prove his claim means we lose an extra villager tonight (although I'd half-expect faking his death would mean he couldn't night kill.)

At best, SK Lewwyn hits a scum at night and we prove he was lying about his role because he doesn't respawn.

Also, if we have a lucky watcher or tracker we might be able to prove/disprove Lewwyn as SK or scum.


If his alignment changes we already suspect him, dying and respawning won't change that. If he claims a roleblock, we lynch him. If his role looked as claimed, we have a handful of people unclaimed for a role, we'd find a roleblocking scum in there.

Basically, I think we learn more by letting him try and prove his claim tonight.

[Serdoa]

I get no new abilities. I have no post restriction. Yes I can tell you its me. " Wouldn't we know it is you anyhow, so what is the point of it? " I don't think it has a point. I think its just supposed to be fun. Do you honestly think Uberfish was able to make 22 (however many people were in this game) unique roles without some of them being off beat, a bit silly or just a little bit pointless?

I'm going to watch TV for an hour with my wife, then I'll be back to see if you have your heads out of your asses.

Ok, so you have to make a new account but can tell us it is you anyway? You know, if I take all the unimportant stuff away and reduce your role to its bare bones, it seems you tell us that your role is a

- alignment-confirmation ability with possible nightkill-immunity (self-jailer one time)

I would believe that for the most part. Self-jailer is already a restriction. One time is an additional restriction. To counter you get your alignment confirmed. Ok, so till that part I can see the role. That you have to create a new character but are allowed to tell us? No, sorry, don't believe that. If uberfish did that, I think it is very unfun. I personally wouldn't want to post with another account, always remembering to log in and out.

@Azza

"If his alignment changes we already suspect him, dying and respawning won't change that."

Whats the point to wait for it in that case? If he proves his ability and we still suspect him and lynch him, we can do so as well today. It won't change anything. He certainly won't get nightkilled now. We just delay a decision. I'd be ok with if I would see any other better case. But I don't see any. Jkaens case is also only meta (not believing his claim) and I think the meta on Lewwyn is better than on Jkaen. Or is there more to it and I've overlooked it till now?

[Lewwyn]

That you have to create a new character but are allowed to tell us? No, sorry, don't believe that. If uberfish did that, I think it is very unfun. I personally wouldn't want to post with another account, always remembering to log in and out.

I went back to check and the role says that I may create a new account. Not have to. But, unlike you I do find that to be fun.

[Serdoa]

I know Lewwyn. And may definitely makes more sense in the context of the role. Basically a gimmick you can use if you want to but nothing is forced on you. Do you understand why I found that unbelievable?

[pindicator]

Serdoa-

I think the argument is circumstantial. I mean, if Lewwyn does happen to be scum and we lynch him today then it'll be by luck that we got the right person. True, we don't have any assurances that he comes back as the same alignment, but we don't have any evidence he comes back as a different one.

I think Azza has a valid point about us having other targets that are better to pursue.

Lewwyn-

Can you answer why your play has been so muted this game compared to the last couple?
And also can you explain your theory on Azza? He's posting a ton more than last game and actually bringing up points. Especially now as things are getting close to critical. Scum Azza has lurked more and more the closer we've gotten to lylo in the past: this Azza is posting more and more.

I really do like Molach right now.

Bigger, where you at?

Molach-
I thought you said I was town earlier. Now you're saying I'm the SK. Did that change after I voted you?

50%

[Ryan]

"- alignment-confirmation ability with possible nightkill-immunity (self-jailer one time)"

So let me understand, We have two town with the ability to confirm thier role?

[Ryan]

@Pindicator I am confused at you right now. You are tempting me to go with you on Molach Cause I feel like you have good evidence since you are a potato :P. Yet I dont understand the idea of circumstantial on Lewwyn. Cant we say the same that every lynch we do is based on luck? The case that is more reliable is the one that gets chosen? Thats how I understand the game up till now from last game + this game.

Its like I can take your argument on Molach. I can shape it to fit how Lewwyn kept changing votes today under pressure. Isnt that to circumstantial?

If I am not grasping the points you and Serdoa are making can you please re-explain?

[Ryan]

"I would believe that for the most part. Self-jailer is already a restriction. One time is an additional restriction. To counter you get your alignment confirmed. Ok, so till that part I can see the role. That you have to create a new character but are allowed to tell us? No, sorry, don't believe that. If uberfish did that, I think it is very unfun. I personally wouldn't want to post with another account, always remembering to log in and out. "

That just doesnt make sense. Two villagers with the same ability? Can that happen?

[Lewwyn]

Its like I can take your argument on Molach. I can shape it to fit how Lewwyn kept changing votes today under pressure. Isnt that to circumstantial?

You make it sound like I was changing votes under duress... I switched OFF Jkaen who was in the lead and onto Azza who only had 1 votes putting myself in the lead... Does that sound like I kept changing votes under pressure?

Azza and Jkaen are my two top suspects. I'm not sure what to do before I go to bed, because I don't know how people are going to vote. I only have about 15-20 minutes.