WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[uberfish]

azza (3) - meiz molach q
lewwyn (3) - jkaen ryan serdoa
jkaen (2) - bigger lewwyn
molach (2) - azza pind
serdoa (1) -

not voting - ichabod

[Serdoa]

Vote count anyone?

Also, as you asked Ichabod, if you want to know whom I would vote for:

Q and Bigger. I know someone brought something forth today for Qs innocence so I should reread that first, but I can't help but just not like what I see. It seems for me that they two play in tandem. Maybe I am biased, but those would be the ones I would vote most likely if Lewwyn wasn't an option.

[Serdoa]

azza (3) - meiz molach q
lewwyn (3) - jkaen ryan serdoa
jkaen (2) - bigger lewwyn
molach (2) - azza pind
serdoa (1) -

not voting - brick ichabod rowain

"not voting - BRick ... Rowain"

Are those two not... like, dead? I mean in this game.

[uberfish]

Brick and rowain are dead, I just forgot to grey them out on my spreadshete

[Meiz]

I haven't lost interested, just that I've just had a weekend at our cabin, birthday + 3 months old child to keep me busy enough. I fully admit I lost interested in the "that and that and that happened so he's the sk" - discussion, which was the theme of the day (sorry). My play has been quite simple, who has given village leans and who's left. Some points on people left:

Ichabod - Scanned innocent
Bigger - Gaspar's attacks seemed layout for future day 2 attacks.
Serdoa - Tries really hard, sounds villager Serdoa. His wolf game was different. Revealed his change of targets with novice and me, which gave me some town points. Later attacked me, which seems odd thing to do, if the reveal was to get on my good side.
Qgqqqqq - His attack on me after Tasunke execution, but before the results makes me think he's not scum.
Lewwyn - I believe the most likely explanation is that he did not kill on night 3, due to Ichabod's taunt. Can prove his ability next night. If his ability makes uberfish post he's town aligned, then we know he was that until the switch at least, so his suspicions have been genuine.

Molach - Had excellent chance to get good village points from the flug - case, and I think wolf would have gone for it. "I wouldn't do this as scum" arguments are generally things that wolves avoid. More quiet on his wolf games.
Ryan - General village vibes, seems genuinely frustrated (still wish he wouldn't be so over dramatic).

Azza - Very little amount of posts, like usual. Total mystery to me.
Jkaen - I believe he started not knowing his role. If he'd kept quiet about it, we'd never know anything about it, so what's the point? Possible traitor role, which would also explain his no power, as there is already a twist in his role. I believe he started not knowing his alignment.
Pindicator - His posts contain a lot of content, but I really haven't got villager vibes from them. Impossible to explain, gut screams he's potential wolf or SK. I consider him a good player and think he can make himself look good, when knowing the right answers. Tasunke concentrating on his post restriction and appearing to not understand it, bugs me. Still think his Tasunke vote was rushed to get on the train before it would be too late. Disagreed with his targets quite often, now votes Jkaen but switches to Molach, which would fit with Jkaen being on scum side.

I wouldn't be surprised if I have wolves or SK in my village lean list, but these are my current thoughts and I'm inclined to vote people at the bottom of the list.

[Meiz]

lewwyn (3) - jkaen ryan serdoa
jkaen (3) - bigger lewwyn Q
molach (2) - azza pind
azza (1) - molach
Pindicator (1) - Meiz
serdoa (1) -

Not voting - Ichabod

[pindicator]

Q and Bigger. I know someone brought something forth today for Qs innocence so I should reread that first, but I can't help but just not like what I see. It seems for me that they two play in tandem. Maybe I am biased, but those would be the ones I would vote most likely if Lewwyn wasn't an option.

Glad i'm not the only one getting creeped out by that.

Serdoa, your point about Lewwyn not scum-hunting supercedes any SK hypothesis. I'm going to join you; i hope you're right but you're getting no crap from me if wrong. Scum has done a great job to have us mixed up at this point. But Lewwyn hasn't been himself, i agree with that


lewwyn

Meiz, i'll win you over. Maybe over my dead body, but i'll do it eventually

[Meiz]

Meiz, i'll win you over. Maybe over my dead body, but i'll do it eventually

Lynching a scum will do Why not give Lewwyn time to prove his role, which should make uber state he is town?

[Molach]

Some more meta.
If there were 4+1 we are at 8-2-1 now.
Mislynch + double nightkill (mislynch removes a suspected villager, but then 2 confirmed villagers might go).
5-2-1...need to get that every lynch right from there. Hit a wolf, then again double nightkill...3-1-1. Hit an evil, 2-1. And need final mislynch to win game. So we might have 1 mislynch to spare. I know, assumes double kills and no saves but we should play it safe.

If 5+1, 7-3-1.
Lynch a wolf, double village kill, 5-2-1. Then same as above, only perfect lynching from then on guarantees victory. I think the last scenario has too many evils, regardless of powers. Anyone else wanna comment on this? I think this is important - if we mislynch today we might still lose even if we lynch and evil every day from then on. Need to hope for night actions to help us.

I have disagreed with many of Serdoa's theories this game, but I do agree that Lewwyn's claim needs investigation. I did misread my role PM, it said only post 'at night', only later after uberfish messaged about it did I re-read and spot that part. I assumed it was the way it has always been, a place to post at any time (uberfish later said it was supposed to have been this was, and was typo in our PMs). So it is definately possible. On the other hand, Lewwyn had some pressure on today, he decides to claim his role, which is something noone has ever seen before (unlike a neighbour QT thread) - and makes an important error in his claim. I think important error because that part about having to make a new account to get back into the game is just crazy. I'm not sure I would have believed that claim. 'May' make - okay if you wanna roleplay you 'may' is better.

Still a question why he didn't think of this before making up a fake claim. And would it be worth making up a claim that was just good to avoid lynch 1 day? I think no sense at all if he's SK, but as scum he might buy his packmate(s) an extra day. So I trust the case is that he is scum now?

I do not think the role is too similar to novice's; Novice was day-triggered confirm, obviously used to avoid a lynch, this would be night-triggered, trigger too soon and you just get the usual 'confirmed town' treatment, too late and you just got nightkilled.

I'm still voting Azza, Jkaen and Lewwyn might be considered if there are some arguments I haven't seen yet. Will be following.

[Bigger]

im gonna throw a fit tomorrow if lewwyn lynches village. this is retarded.

Serdoa - you're right about jkaen thinking you were sk, not lewwyn. still i'd much rather see him lynch than lewwyn, and lewwyns vote is dead on jkaen since he's asleep. would be happy to switch to azza if there's movement there.

meiz a pindicator vote is as good as a non-vote at this point.