Bullshit. You both are skating by simply because this village is too scared to vote for you. Too many players who need a seer-scan + guarantee from the GM before they would vote for you. Of course you'll now try to get Azza lynched, he is the next player on the list who this village will happily lynch before they go for you "because they played so strong for the village" - and mislynched one villager after the other.
Azza switched his vote to Lewwyn because
1) I explained in more detail how Lewwyn was not scumhunting
2) Jkaen was brought from you guys into position as candidate against Lewwyn and everyone with his right mind could see that Jkaens play would not make sense as wolf
Thats the same as with Mattimeo before, only that this time you can't say I didn't tell you.
Anyhow, I think it is quite obvious to see that Bigger and Q are our scum-pair (god, you guys are playing awful btw, Q is soo obviously trying to not even look the slighest in Azzas direction, only because Bigger mentioned him as suspect). And Lewwyn is either playing as bad a game as the one in which he shot 3 villagers as Vig or simply is the SK. Guess what I think...
I've been on azza about half the day...and I'm not looking at him???
Seriously just because bigger and I have similar reads doesn't mean we're a scam pair - sometimes people agree! Honestly the same could easily be said of you and Ryan - you've both been floating on the same meta wave all day.
Do you have any tangible reasons why we're scummy?
Or is it just "OMG they disagree with me - must be scum pair! Not to mention their playing awful for [give nonsensical reason]"
Seriously serdoa get over the fact that people disagree with you - you're NOT ALWAYS RIGHT by any means, and I'm growing to hate your (post-lynch) statements of why the candidate OBVIOUSLY wasn't scum.
Gee funny how you never a)explain it or b)explain before the lynch.
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"Jkaen: Meta-arguments about not knowing his role and alignment. But what else? Is there anything in his posts? Seemingly not, otherwise someone would have pointed it out already yes?"
Why don't you just read my posts? That question above was not answered till the end of the day. In comparison, the below is my case on Lewwyn BESIDES the meta-points that we discussed in detail:
"Also, I strongly disagree that I only want to lynch him for meta-reasons. I also want to lynch him because I agree with Ryan that he wasn't scum hunting. He barely posted D1, he tried to lynch novice half of D2 before disappearing, that was the only bigger case he did. On D3 he said he pushed for pindicator, but reread his posts and you will see that he voted Mattimeo, switched to Bigger and revoted Mattimeo. Without cases that are noteworthy. Then he told us about Chinese New Year and that some singer learned some words in Chinese. D4 he made a case on Azza - which I have read and would not agree with. The points he mentions are
- he thinks the post restriction is fake because Azza only told on D2 and that he thinks Azza came up with it only then, his evidence is that he thinks Azza was "cute and coy" with it. (Thats just interpreting behaviour in his way, without any evidence)
- he states further that Azza disappeared and was a strong supporter of the Mattimeo-lynch (thats the same for him and several other players, the whole game was nearly on hold on D3)
- he states lastly that he misses the "Goodnight" post on D3... (thats so unimportant that I'm not going to comment on it)
So really, that was not a case, that was just searching for something to hit someone village is prone to lynch for his play anyhow. Scumhunting looks different. And after that post on Azza, all that followed was stating that Jkaen is lieing and that could be because he is scum or village (something we all agree on anyway) and his "defense" against Ryan and me.
Please, someone can show me the scumhunting now? Because I sure can't see it."
Did anyone comment? No. You just voted Jkaen, completley ignoring everyone that was written. Neither did you ever answer what exactly was scummy about him besides your meta-arguments - something you used on the case on Lewwyn to discredit it - nor did you care to explain why you would disagree with the above. Then after the inevitable mislynch you start immediately to hit the one player that switched his vote BECAUSE he did the above. Are you kidding me? You guys are either wolfs or played obviously awful - not because you were wrong, but because you simply ignored everything that would have had to you to rethink your vote.
I am NOT angry because someone disagrees with me (I love a good discussion), I am angry because you guys don't even listen. You simply ignore it and go in the opposite direction and when asked afterwards why, you can't even explain it. You just cry around how I dare holdng you responsible for your ignorance.
As for the point about you ignoring Azza: You are right, I overlooked that one little sentence in your post about how Azza looks bad. Fine, I am sorry Q, you are indeed completely ignorant to everything that happens. Happy now?
(February 13th, 2013, 01:38)Serdoa Wrote: Anyhow, I think it is quite obvious to see that Bigger and Q are our scum-pair (god, you guys are playing awful btw, Q is soo obviously trying to not even look the slighest in Azzas direction, only because Bigger mentioned him as suspect). And Lewwyn is either playing as bad a game as the one in which he shot 3 villagers as Vig or simply is the SK. Guess what I think...
When I finally do die, you're the one that will have egg on your face.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
I think Azza, Pindi and Meiz are suspicious. I'm starting to think that Meiz is the SK. Molach I still just can't tell. I think both bigger and Qg have been scumhunting, but then again if either of them are the SK I have no idea. ALso they've both been pretty ardent supporters of my innocence and if either of them are scum they'd know I was innocent anyway.
The only people I trust are Ichabod, Serdoa and Ryan which is pretty fucked up considering two of them are out for my blood. But I seriously doubt either of them would be this vocally stupid if they were scum.
But at this point... Its honestly starting to get fuzzy.
Yesterday I simply wasn't sure who to vote between Jkaen and Azza. In the end I let Azza's comments about being willing to actually see what happened cloud my judgment. But as soon as I was asleep, dagger in the back?
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(February 13th, 2013, 03:39)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I'm not deigning that with a response.
Perhaps in the morning when I've stopped wanting to lynch toy for being a moronic asshole.
I'm not sure why you always revert back to insults. But I am really frustrated of being verbally harassed in these games.
(February 13th, 2013, 03:45)Lewwyn Wrote: When I finally do die, you're the one that will have egg on your face.
If you die and you are a villager that won't for me change the fact that I think you played bad. Heck, I played bad too, read my posts, I admitted that freely already. That goes to everyone: be upset with me how much you want, but I don't measure you on higher standards than I do measure myself with, so why are you all acting as if I was somehow unfairly attacking you? I don't - thats why I answered calmly to Ichabod yesterday. He was absolutely right to call me out, I didn't live up to the standards I set for myself and everyone else so of course I have to accept that he will suspect me.
So, time to give full disclosure before the inevitable end!
@Lewwyn: I hope to see you dead tonight. If that doesn't happen, I hope to see you dead tomorrow.
@Everyone: Here are Bigger's messages.
Day 2 (with day 1 included):
Quote:"Rowain, this is Bigger. I have a town read on you, and are the only town read I had that isn't a likely night-kill victim, so I'm sending you this note. I hope that you can break your usual pattern of "whenever Bigger even mentions my name I have to lynch him." I'm growing tired of our feud anyway, to be honest.
Here is the message I originally sent to Serdoa on day 1. if uber is ok w/ it, you can post in thread. if not, just confirm that I sent you a message and paraphrase as you like:
'this is Navi (Bigger). Each night I can send a private message to another player. I'm not quite sure how to use this effectively for the town yet. If I live long enough I may think of a more clever way to use it in the future. I'm sending it to you tonight because my strongest town read is on you, and I'm hoping to somehow get a townie network going. (I don't always agree with what you say, but your conviction and passion gives you away as town, I think. If I'm wrong I'll look foolish after the game, but thats ok).
My strongest suspect isl Gaspar. I'm sure you remember ww16 and knwo why I was voting for him. I was hoping for a more emotional, or at least authentic, response to his bandwagon. More importantly, his attempt to start a bandwagon on me was telling. I think he just wanted to lynch someone that was voting for him. Zak was out of reach, of course, and Tasunke was silent and didn't give him much ammo, so he chose me. His "scum-tells" on me were just ridiculously transparent and reaching. That is my read anyway. Please reread gaspar posts, and if you agree, vote for him, and I will follow. If you don't agree, vote for someone else, and I'll consider tabling him for another day.'
ok, Rowain, this message is for you, not public consumption:
1st, I have a post restriction as well - anytime I quote a message I have to give someone advice (mirroring Navi's advice, I guess)
2nd - I am not a SK. I don't really have any way to prove this, but I am sure more info on the SK (or if there even is one) will become apparent as the game goes on. Since the above message should at least convince you I'm not a wolf, I hope you will refrain from pushing me as SK until we have more information.
3rd - please reconsider Ichabod as a suspect. He is playing a bold scum game, open and less secretive than most scum games - more concerned with having fun and being bold than survival. It is unusual, but not unheard of - it is similar to the game both you and I played in both ww13 and Tasunke's game. worst case scenario he is an infected trying to be lynched, but I think he is just as likely to actually be a wolf. I hope you will hop on board with lynching him."
Day 3:
Quote:"Greetings skull-man. This is Navi (Bigger). I am sorry for trying so hard to get you lynched, I really did think you were evil. I guess you just needed to shake things up to have fun.
I think you have some kind of ability that allows you to scan role-pm's. Probably for abilities, and not alignments? That was pretty clever of you to point this out to me - I do indeed have a post-restriction that I have to give advice whenever I quote a post. I thought I was pretty discreet - using "listen" or "watch out" as my advice sometimes. I think I even forgot to do it one time. If you just figured that out on your own, even more props to you, but I think you must have read my role pm. At first I thought this would be a great scum role, but I'm convinced by Brick's scan on you that you are innocent.
So please use your ability to find the role-blocker. I think I must have been targetted by a role-blocker night 2, in an attempt to make me look like a liar and get my lynched. That must be a scum role, I can't think of any village motivation to role-block me. I'm hoping they find a better target tonight and this message gets to you. Possible targets, imo, in order of likelyhood: Azza, Molach, Jkaen, Q. I don't think the roleblocker could be anyone else.
I'm convinced by Brick's claim that both he and you are innocent. I think Meiz day killing Tasunke clears him. Based on their play and scum hunting, I have a strong village lean on Rowain and Serdoa. Same with lewwyn, although he could very well be an independent (survivor, SK, what not) and we should be cautious if it seems like there is one in this game at a later point. I have a SLIGHT village lean on Pindicator and Ryan. so I think there are 2-4 scum in the remaining 4 (azza, molach, jkaen, Q). Molach and azza have the most evidence, imo. Molach for not saving Flug on day 1 and going into lurk mode after he got heat. Azza for trying so hard to lynch me on a "well he's not wolf but he seems like SK." I think going after a SK on day 2 is a heavy scum tell - why would village be so focused on llynching a SK early in the game, for village scum is scum. But scum typically can't night kill a SK, so they would want to lynch him.
I'm not a SK or wolf, so I hope we can work together. If you are able to scan a guilty sounding ability (especially role-block) please signal to me somehow. I'll try not to signal that I know you are an ability scanner.
I'll probably send my next message to Meiz, as I think Brick will be dead tonight and Meiz is my next strongest village lean. If there is a message you want me to send to him, include the rant smiley in the same paragraph as it, that shouldnt be too hard."
Sorry if you find this a bad move, Bigger, but I guess you'll probably say you have nothing to hide, right?
