WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[LeChuck]

Interesting.

Pindi please tell us what you know.

[Qgqqqqq]

I know I said id stop, but I've just read through lechucks posts today and really don't understand it.
First you say you'd reread my posts but you don't a ppear to have done it (or of you have you haven't mentioned it - the only thing that looks like it is your post where you look at peoples tells).
Later you say firstly that it is meta, just not the meta I've just countered. Then 2minutes later you turn around and say that it isn't the meta its my posts and suspiscions.
Fine and dandy but WHY AREN'T YOU POINTING THESE OUT??
You make one example where its for sure youve seen a bunch BUT IN YOUR EARLIER REASONING YOU ONLY MENTION ONE - and one that I refuted.
I think you've got a case of confirmation bias - you like the meta and your deciding to follow up on it and since you're looking tor then a wealth of tells suddenly appear - tells you can't quite explain but seem obvious.
The rest of your "tells" basically revolve around azza and I going after different suspects - which sure I admit could be told in scum thread...or it could just be two players with different reads. Why exactly would azza be unable to vote a scumbuddy? I don't understand you there.

I mean none of this as antagonistc, I'm just struggling to understand a case with little more then meta behind it (I guess I feel like you yesterday...)
fake edit: xpost, composed after my last.

[Qgqqqqq]

Hmm I agree, I'm interested in pindis reaction to this.
Also does Compulsive agent of chaos sound anti-town to anyone else?
Anyone more familiar with the lore like to explain it?

[LeChuck]

Hmm I agree, I'm interested in pindis reaction to this.
Also does Compulsive agent of chaos sound anti-town to anyone else?
Anyone more familiar with the lore like to explain it?

Eh, considering Serdoa's earlier claims it makes perfect sense. He's had post restrictions and such and he claimed to have to use a nigthtime doublevote. He's claimed to have been forced to use abilities, or one may say his abilities were compulsory. SO I believe it A) clears Serdoa and B) lends creedence to Ryan's role.

[LeChuck]

Honestly for the village to have a role seer and an alignment seer AND a tracker is too much IMO. Usually scum has a tracker or watcher ability to find PRs so I think this looks bad for pindicator. I also think this looks bad for Molach since as I stated earlier I thought pindi's posts today were either good village play or a tricky scum play. I can see Molach and pindi as a scum pair.

Meiz having the ability of execute could still be SK. The thing about being SK is he might have a regular night kill and also a "special ability" I don't think it clears him at all. I do think that Ryan's reveals nail pindi and make him a more certain lynch than Meiz.

[Meiz]

Hmm I agree, I'm interested in pindis reaction to this.
Also does Compulsive agent of chaos sound anti-town to anyone else?
Anyone more familiar with the lore like to explain it?

Jarlaxle is chaotic neutral alignment character. Serdoa's powers include PR's, switching targets etc. Agent of chaos sounds fitting description of the role.

[Molach]

Perhaps Pindicator has some tracking results to share?
Gonna wait for them.

Ryan's role is comfirmed if Serdoa has not given his role name yet and it matches Ryan's read.
However we don't know Ryan IS village, just he has the role. SK role-scanner? Perhaps unlikely, he would have had to make two visits - nightkill and scan target. So if (scum) tracker tracked him, which person would he see? Unlikely. Just something to keep in mind if Ryan is one of the 3 remaining in a Lylo.

Q, Azza or Pind are left as my possible scum candidates now. I understand I'm on the list from your pov. However even if we mislynch, chances are SK will target a scum tonight or he will be voted dead next. Scum might actually target SK too, for similar reasons. Both will hope the other party kills villagers but to ensure win must do the same.

But if we kill Meiz and he IS the SK, next day is Lylo and we need to pick the two correct scum, in order, from those 4. And I've seen believable cases against all 4, so not trivial to do. Whole village needs to get it right, one misvotes and scum can deadline-switch and win the game.

So best case for town is to lynch one of (molach, azza, Q, pindicator) today, not lynch Meiz/SK-suspect today. I think this is best chance we have winning the endgame.

[Serdoa]

Ryan states the truth in regards to roles, my role is called

"Jarlaxle Baenre, Compulsive Agent of Chaos"

And yes, if you look in the DnD-lore you will see that he is one of the bad guys (kinda, but R.A. Salvatore was imo never good in making more-dimensional-characters even when he tried, so Jarlaxle tends to be more black than white [maybe also due to his Drow-heritage]).

I agree with Lewwyn that 3 "seer-roles" (alignment-seer, role-seer, tracker) are too much for village, though don't forget that uberfish tries to make sure that we do learn not to trust meta-reasons [and indeed going mostly for meta-reasons didn't work out so hot yesterday already]. So, maybe he has included those 3 roles for village Lewwyn, and we have indeed 3 wolves and 1 SK left? Anyhow, we want to hit a wolf today, so the question is now only who is most likely wolf? I have to confess I am not as certain as you are on pindicator. As written above I don't like to lynch only for the reason that we disbelieve in 3 seer-roles for village.

So pindicator, whats your stance? And whom did you track?

[Ryan]

The only way Miez is SK would be if , I could only see 1 power. If thats the case then Pindicator didnt lie about his Post restriction. If he has scan results then I dont mind. I just dont get how as a tracker would you lynch someone, that has no night powers. He also might be susceptible for to much information the way he knew Tasunkes power. If he has a good reason for lynching a person without night powers. I will take my vote off him.

[Ryan]

and Since I suck at scum hunting as note from yesterday. How do you guys know if a tracker fakes results?