WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[LeChuck]

Lewwyn trust my gut in this. I really think Miez isn't the sk. I am sure it's Molach and sk dying is our only chance at winning this as town. If pin is town , he can track the sk , if he isn't kill him tomorrow.

fuck no. We lynch the last scum and then sk the next day is the same as lynching the sk. You are killing me. You want to lynch two villagers.

[LeChuck]

Lewwyn trust my gut in this. I really think Miez isn't the sk. I am sure it's Molach and sk dying is our only chance at winning this as town. If pin is town , he can track the sk , if he isn't kill him tomorrow.

If my role pm can't detect the Sk. Then pindicator's power if town is the ONLY way le chuck. I really don't wanna lose this and I think pin needs to be alive for this to work.

Let me explain something to you.

There are 6 people left. 4 people village, 1 scum, 1 SK. If there are 3 village, 2 scum, 1 SK then we've already lost because if we lynch the SK then its 3 village, 2 scum > scum kill at night > 2-2 game over. If we lynch scum we end with 3-1-1> and the only way we win is if the scum hit each other, which isn't going to happen because they'll just kill me. So the only way to play this is if we believe there are 4 villagers, 1 scum, 1 SK.

Do you understand that part so far?

Now in this case lynch either scum or SK eliminates a night kill. Thus it does not matter which we kill as long as we get one.

Now you understand this?

Now ask yourself this: Why did Azza choose to commit suicide today?

Remember he wasn't in the lead, pindicator was. You were not switching yet and didn't look like you were. If pindicator is a villager and was about to get lynched, why did Azza commit suicide? Why not wait until tomorrow if Pindicator was innocent?

Azza was under heavy suspicion and he would have been lynched the next day if not today. But why choose to blow yourself up today if you didn't have to? Because if he used his ability when he was the last scum, it wouldn't matter and the scum would lose.

Do you understand this?

We have to lynch scum or SK, but it does not matter which. Pindicator is HEAVILY implicated as scum.
-Heavy post restriction, Azza also has one (Azza made his after Pindis so that Pindi wouldn't look so out of place?)
-Posts that don't feel right.
-Tracker role when none of the other dead scum have information gathering roles. (If Pindi is innocent I think Ryan is guilty...)
-The Azza implication

Do you understand this?

Screw your gut that told you I was a serial killer. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AT LYNCH TIME.

[pindicator]

Dammit, I was looking forward to this day just being over. I'm tired of these empty attacks. Or better: the people ignoring what I have to say.

I'm sorry if you guys can't believe my PR. But I've always said don't judge me by the number of posts. Judge me by their content.

I'm tired of defending this bullshit attack. Have you even addressed my responses? Lewwyn, especially you. If you aren't SK or possessed then you're just falling for your old WW17 fallacy all over again.

BTW, according to Pindi's "post restriction" he has 1 more post left today.

Count again. I've posted 10 so far. This is #11 today.

Uberfish gave me 3 more with the extended deadline. So I have 2 more after this post.

And when did you start thinking I was lying either? Other people have had PR's: Azza (no reason for him to lie about that, even as scum) & Bigger both did.

However, pindicator is the correct vote.
Think about it, scum knew one of them were going down. It was gonna be Pindicator. Azza's power is useless if he is last scum alive so to stir things up, blow up. Any other action loses the game.
That was why azza blew up even if he wasn't on the line.
Think he would have done it if an villager was about to die?

Btw good game pindicator.

When did scum know one was going down today? I would like to know this from you Molach. I'm very curious why you were so quiet when it was me vs. Azza but now after Azza explodes you're suddenly loud again. Didn't want to defend Azza? But you didn't want to defend me either, huh? Just vote and let it happen


Qgqqqqq-
It looks like I was wrong about you. Great play by Serdoa to pull a village tell out of you. Considering Lewwyn's about face on me has me doubting him, that means I'm feeling best about you now. Strange game for it to come to that. Well, I'm sure Ryan's town too, but I don't have much hope Ryan will switch targets (fake edit: he did as i was putting this together, maybe we have some hope).

But we're pretty much in LYLO now. Need to lynch scum else we're at scum's mercy. And that means we need to get all villagers on the same target and hope for the best. Waterbat taught me that in a LYLO game before. Since you're the town I trust the most (Lewwyn probably still is town, but he's gone WW17 paranoid on me again) then I'm voting with you. I also think you're right about Molach, which shows how great my game has been.

So I'm with on Molach

If you have questions about me, I have 2 posts to answer them in. Lewwyn, I'd especially like to see you acknowledge you've read some of what I've wrote. Because what I saw from you yesterday was you 1) going to bed earlier than normal -- excuse to lock in your vote? and 2) you doing an about face on me for very shaky grounds. So what are you thinking? Is this WW17 all over again or something else?

Agree with Molach, pindicator is the right kill for scum.

Well said. Scum definitely want to kill me. I'm the tracker. If you guys spare me I'm still pretty sure I don't last the night.

fuck no. We lynch the last scum and then sk the next day is the same as lynching the sk. You are killing me. You want to lynch two villagers.

You're voting to lynch a villager right now, so I don't think you have much room to talk here...


This puts it 3 to 3. With influence it's 12 against Molach and 12 on me. coin flip.

[LeChuck]

fucking cats

[LeChuck]

Count again. I've posted 10 so far. This is #11 today.

Uberfish gave me 3 more with the extended deadline. So I have 2 more after this post.

bullshit.

I was hoping you would vote for Molach. I think it proves you are scum. Once Qg was lost as a target you had to backtrack on you're earlier molach-buddying because there wasn't anyone else left to be scum!!

[LeChuck]

If you have questions about me, I have 2 posts to answer them in. Lewwyn, I'd especially like to see you acknowledge you've read some of what I've wrote. Because what I saw from you yesterday was you 1) going to bed earlier than normal -- excuse to lock in your vote? and 2) you doing an about face on me for very shaky grounds. So what are you thinking? Is this WW17 all over again or something else?

FUCK YOU! I stayed up as long as could It was well past midnight when I went to sleep. My wife went to bed and I had the computer on next to me, praying you would post before I went to bed. My wife starts yelling at me and I'm the bad guy? Fuck you pindi. So fucking frustrating. How fucking stupid do you think I am.

[LeChuck]

Also pindi if you were village you would have realized that if you're not scum and Qg isn't scum then it would have to be Ryan who was the last scum. INstead you went after Molach because that's your best chance of survival.

Molach has been active, he has been thoughtful, he has posted good thoghts and he has been engaging he has not been this loner player you guy shave tried to paint him as to fit him into the SK role! He's been after Azza for days as well. His behavior does not fit with scum or with SK.

[LeChuck]

Ryan you said it yourself:

If my role pm can't detect the Sk. Then pindicator's power if town is the ONLY way le chuck. I really don't wanna lose this and I think pin needs to be alive for this to work.

Pindi's power is the only way to detect the SK. Which is why the scum needed that role. They needed some way to hunt for the SK.

Look at pindi's tracks:

Brick
Lewwyn
Qgqqqq

WHo is Pindi looking for? He's looking for the Serial Killer. Why? Because he already knows who the scum is. I mean why Brick?? Brick was semi cleared of being scum during day 2. Novice's case against him fell apart during the Tasunke deal. Brick was not very scummy on Night 2. But he could have been the SK. SO pindi followed him. The wolves need to know who the SK is that's why they have the tracker role.

[pindicator]

Count again. I've posted 10 so far. This is #11 today.

Uberfish gave me 3 more with the extended deadline. So I have 2 more after this post.

bullshit.

I was hoping you would vote for Molach. I think it proves you are scum. Once Qg was lost as a target you had to backtrack on you're earlier molach-buddying because there wasn't anyone else left to be scum!!

I can't wait to mock you in the lurker thread for mislynching me twice in the end game.
I'll even waste a post on it.

Well, let's think about this Lewwyn.

Of course I'm going to vote Molach - scum or village, that's not a tell at all.
If I'm scum, then I'm just trying to save myself. I don't have a friend in the world: both SK and scum have 1 left, right? (B/c if there's 2 on the wolf team then we're
If I'm village, then we're in a practical LYLO and I need to vote with other villagers. If you think that Qgqqqqq is village then by the end of the day you need to vote with him. Otherwise you're just opening it up to 1 scum switching to mislynch me.

And you still don't answer my questions. You don't address my answers. Please tell me this isn't tunnel vision Lewwyn from WW17 again. You've already fucked that up once, do you really want to do that again?

You want to play this paranoid bullshit game twice in a row with me? You're so worried about losing to me playing some sort of epic scum masterpiece, that you're throwing games to prevent that thought. You're more scared about losing to me that you'd rather lose the game than risk the thought that you were played.

I was wrong when I said it's like playing prevent defense in the NFL. It's more like taking a safety every possession because you're scared I'm going to sack your quarterback and cause a fumble and return it on defense for a touchdown. You'd rather throw your game than say you lost.

If you have questions about me, I have 2 posts to answer them in. Lewwyn, I'd especially like to see you acknowledge you've read some of what I've wrote. Because what I saw from you yesterday was you 1) going to bed earlier than normal -- excuse to lock in your vote? and 2) you doing an about face on me for very shaky grounds. So what are you thinking? Is this WW17 all over again or something else?

FUCK YOU! I stayed up as long as could It was well past midnight when I went to sleep. My wife went to bed and I had the computer on next to me, praying you would post before I went to bed. My wife starts yelling at me and I'm the bad guy? Fuck you pindi. So fucking frustrating. How fucking stupid do you think I am.

I don't think you're stupid, but I think you're scared that I'm pulling some kind of masterpiece. I don't know your situation -- and I'm sorry that this game is causing that kind of stress.

But how do you think I feel hearing people say I'm faking my PR all the time? Ichabod, man, I wanted to break PR and reveal in the middle of the last night phase just to tell that guy off. (Damn, I thought I still had that post saved but I guess I deleted it from drafts.)

Also pindi if you were village you would have realized that if you're not scum and Qg isn't scum then it would have to be Ryan who was the last scum. INstead you went after Molach because that's your best chance of survival.

Molach has been active, he has been thoughtful, he has posted good thoghts and he has been engaging he has not been this loner player you guy shave tried to paint him as to fit him into the SK role! He's been after Azza for days as well. His behavior does not fit with scum or with SK.

All right, we're getting somewhere at least now. I agree with you that Molach has looked completely different this game, and I've already posted earlier today why I thought he wasn't scum. He could be SK, I suppose, I hadn't thought of that.

So if you think Ryan is the last scum, then why am I still alive? He scanned me day 2. He sees a tracker and let's him live? Pretty ballsy move, don't you think?

But you're not answering my biggest quesiton Lewwyn: Why do you think I'm scum? I can't see it, I honestly can't find the reasoning in your posts. I think you're just afraid of me pulling something over on you, when it's not that complicated. Why would I do all the things I have as town? Hell, if I was scum buddies with Azza, why would I tell him to kill Serdoa, the guy who was probably the only one who was giving credence to me being alive? Wouldn't I tell him to kill off Ryan, who was on me and usually locked in on targets?

Look, we're pretty damn close to LYLO and I one post left. I'm going to save it for voting where I think the villagers are posting because we have to have the village together to prevent scum tipping the scales with a last minute switch. I think that's Qgqqqqq and I think that's you. God help me if I'm wrong on this read, but I've gotten town reads off you a lot of the game.

Fake Edit: Tracking Targets. Seriously Lewwyn, read what I wrote about that. Don't just jump to conclusions. If I'm so wrong on my targets then why did I double up with Ichabod on the last 2 nights? Why did I defend Brick and try to calm Serdoa down after telling him off about pushing Brick? Come on man, read my stuff! At least give me that courtesy before you mislynch me.

[LeChuck]

Pindi yuo keep saying "we're almost at LyLO" or "we're pretty much now in LyLO"... nothing has changed since the beginning of this day. We were at LyLo from the beginning of the day. Only NOW are you bringing it up and using it as justification for your votes.

I'm not paranoid. I'm reading the evidence. I answered your questions about why I suspect you. DO NOT SAY I DID AN ABOUT FACE BECAUSE THAT IS A LIE. I said I was leaning heavily towards you being village, but that I kept feeling like I was being fooled. In my post where I examined everybody I specifically said TWICE that I think you could be pulling a ruse with regard to you clearing Molach. It was ALWAYS on my mind. You were never a cleared villager for me.

I still think all of these apply
-Heavy post restriction
-Posts that don't feel right (And I'm fucking serious about this every day I've said I can't place it but its fucking there)
-Tracker role (And this carries even more weight for me now.)
-The Azza implication

I am not paranoid. You are the scummiest player left, Meiz is next.

You are trying to paint me as paranoid, you are trying to paint me as unreliable, but you are not addressing the WHY of Azza's choice to suicide and basically save you. You don't address it all. you are avoiding it and you are avoiding the hard questions. You are attacking and trying to discredit your strongest attacker. You are scum.