The Dark arts - C&D Master Thread

[kjn]

Also good to know that CFC has researched Construction now. I assume they researched that on T110 and then Calendar on T115, but I will have to look closer at when their silks were connected.

Good catch on them finally revolting to caste and republicanism. They sure took their time about it.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Best guess, which teams have already set up academies? Have CivPlayers? If not, that's my guess. We know Apolotyn have, and I'm guessing CivFr but don't have time just now to go back through the C&D thread.

[kjn]

Best guess, which teams have already set up academies? Have CivPlayers? If not, that's my guess. We know Apolotyn have, and I'm guessing CivFr but don't have time just now to go back through the C&D thread.

Yes, all the four "major" (Apolyton, CivFr, CivPlayers, and CFC) teams has academies now, or has at least generated a scientist to build one.

For CFC we can see it, for CivFr we could track it via their total culture output, for CivPlayers we could track it via culture output in Tenochtitlan (via F8). Only uncertain would be Apolyton, but they have generated more great scientists than anyone else, in all likelihood, and I think they have two up.

[kjn]

Sorry for the recent lack of updates here. The trouble with the score breakdowns earlier meant I had a hard time continuing.

However, I've been continuing to take screenshots and note down score changes, so I hope I can start to get some more things going, probably starting with the Spanish and CFC (since I can break down their scores to a large degree).

One thing of note: the new CivFr city this turn is probably a captured barbarian city. It's called Chinook, and it only added a single tile to CivFr. Sadly, I don't have F8 numbers from just before and after CivFr claimed the city, so I can't confirm this that way.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Would the single tile be because the city is in revolt for a few turns after being captured?

[Ceiliazul]

yes.

[kjn]

Trying to work out the real score of CFC right now - being able to get how many tiles each border expansion and city would claim helps a lot.

Another thing: CFC dropped in food from 221 on T116 to 188 on T117 (this turn), but still remained the rival best in food production. On the other hand, their production rose from 52 to 64, so it's a net loss of 21 foodhammers. I imagine they've hired circa 10 scientists, and also assigned some civizens to working mines.

[kjn]

Turn rolled, and we've landed the Shwedagon Paya. No new known techs. CivPlayers accepted OB with us.

Most score increases are rather modest (including one of 1 point to CivPlayers...), but I note that immediately after the turn started Apolyton performed two 3-pop and one 2-pop whip. Likely forges.

I'm coming more and more around to that there are bugs in the score calculation for T114. A long while back (that I can't find right now) we get a bunch of land score a turn or two before we were due it, and I think the same thing has happened to the Spanish this turn.

I also think Univers might have lost control of at least one tile that they claimed on T94 between then and T114, otherwise I can't get their numbers to match up. Keeping track of the score from land will be quite hard from now on, though Alphabet tech and visibility on more cities will help a lot.

[Sullla]

Yeah I want Alphabet tech soonish too, because knowing what techs the other teams have is by far the most useful information to have on them. We also need Alphabet to lightbulb anything on the Education/Liberalism line. My feeling at the moment is that our upcoming tech path will look like this:

Drama -> Music -> Metal Casting -> Horseback Riding -> Philosophy -> Alphabet -> Liberalism beeline

We should be able to get those first five techs done before the end of our upcoming Golden Age. I'll play around with the sandbox and see if it's worthwhile to get Alphabet before Philosophy. Not sure at present.

[NobleHelium]

Education takes precedence over Alphabet.