(April 14th, 2013, 17:25)kjn Wrote: @sooooo It's Eastern Dealers that's the future NE location, not Forbidden Fruit. If we ditch one of the theatres in the east, I think it makes sense to build the one in ED, and skip the FF one (or simply use it as a hammer dump).
Forbidden Fruit currently works plenty of low-value tiles (coast), and could use overflow to finish its library and then channel it on to the NE. It also borders to the CFC's stupid city plant, and having more specialist slots in the NE city can't be a bad thing.
(April 14th, 2013, 17:25)kjn Wrote: @sooooo It's Eastern Dealers that's the future NE location, not Forbidden Fruit. If we ditch one of the theatres in the east, I think it makes sense to build the one in ED, and skip the FF one (or simply use it as a hammer dump).
Forbidden Fruit currently works plenty of low-value tiles (coast), and could use overflow to finish its library and then channel it on to the NE. It also borders to the CFC's stupid city plant, and having more specialist slots in the NE city can't be a bad thing.
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Anyway, my take on it: whip the theatre in Eastern Dealers; the theatre in Forbidden Fruit is of lower priority and can slowbuilt.
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(April 14th, 2013, 18:25)kjn Wrote: Anyway, my take on it: whip the theatre in Eastern Dealers; the theatre in Forbidden Fruit is of lower priority and can slowbuilt.
I don't understand - what's the point of the FF theater at all, if it's not needed for globe?
Yeah, the evaluation that we need to make is this: Is a theater in FF worth the amount of hammers that we need to finish it? Basically, think of us as being Creative in just this one city (or having a different percent bonus, idk what percent we've already built since I haven't paid attention to micro in this game in probably 20 turns); would we build a theater in that case?
The consensus so far seems to be "no."
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Well it's worthless right now, it can provide a 1 happy with dyes at some unspecified point in the future, and the already-invested hammers will keep for 50 turns and only then start to decay. Seems obvious that we don't want to finish it - at least yet - if we don't have to.
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The plan was to whip the theatre here next turn, whipping off of the immature grassland cottage, then overflow into a Hindu missionary for one of our new cities. Having looked at this again... I still think that's as good of a plan as any of the offered alternatives. It's definitely true that we don't have a great need for a theatre here, the build was mostly for Globe Theatre purposes. That said, the theatre is not totally wasted: we should eventually have dyes for +1 happiness, and extra culture does help out a bit in the desert area to the southeast. There's also the issue of sunken costs as others have mentioned. We've completed half of a theatre's production value, and it does nothing for us sitting there in queue. Personally I would rather just go ahead and finish the theatre as planned rather than have 28/150 production into a market or whatever.
Since the theatre does let us get started on Globe Theatre a turn sooner, and Forbidden Fruit's build order has already been set up with the assumption that we'll be finishing the theatre here (whip -> missionary -> market), I'm of a mind to leave things the way that they are. If we end up with one extra theatre as a result of the German team's aggressive plant, then oh well. Not the end of the world.
This is one of those cases where I think the decision is minor enough that it ends up coming down to personal preference, and my preference is to keep things the same because it does end up saving me a fair amount of work.
(April 15th, 2013, 05:00)Sullla Wrote: This is one of those cases where I think the decision is minor enough that it ends up coming down to personal preference, and my preference is to keep things the same because it does end up saving me a fair amount of work.
I personally think that unless someone else is willing to step up and take on some of the micro and sandboxing duties for the whole empire, this type of decision has to be deferred to the person who is doing the work. JMHO.
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Why is Eastern Dealers building a Theatre though? Can't it just keep building its library? Growing onto unimproved tiles is acceptable there too since it's our future National Epic city and we'll want the population for specialists.
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