Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Sullla]

CFC has offered the marble trade yet AGAIN in-game. Let's send this off to them before I log in and play tonight.

[sooooo]

[scooter]

Aaaaand sent. Now we wait.

[kjn]

CFC has offered the marble trade yet AGAIN in-game. Let's send this off to them before I log in and play tonight.

I logged in earlier, and didn't receive any diplo pop-up. I think the mail about the proposed trade was due to a glitch in APTmod - it showed us being on T140 until quite late today, and we received the turn-roll mail circa 12 hours late too.

[NobleHelium]

I hope there's an opportunity at some point to send this message to CFC.

We don't like your face.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I hope there's an opportunity at some point to send this message to CFC.

We don't like your face.

QotM! QotM!

[kjn]

Future resource trades:

I think we should send off a message to CivPlayers and ask if they're willing to trade spices for sugar, and that we can do the trade as soon as they can hook another sugar up.

It's a fair trade in bonuses (+1 happy/+1 health), it's neutral in happiness for us until we declare war on the Germans (then we get our spices back), and it helps us in keeping good relations with CivPlayers.

It also saves up a gem that we can use to send to WPC, perhaps with a hint that we'd like them to research Calendar ASAP (at which point they can send us dye).

For that matter, I think it might be worthwhile to send off a message to Apolyton once we declare war on the Germans, that we view Wanzleben to be within their zone of influence, and that we can cede the city to them in return for a NAP extension to T190 or so. Since they're happiness constrained and the city would give them their own source of stone and wines they should jump onto that first thing.

And if they don't, that also tells us something.

[kalin]

For that matter, I think it might be worthwhile to send off a message to Apolyton once we declare war on the Germans, that we view Wanzleben to be within their zone of influence, and that we can cede the city to them in return for a NAP extension to T190 or so. Since they're happiness constrained and the city would give them their own source of stone and wines they should jump onto that first thing.

kjn, I think all your suggestions are good except for the last one. I strongly think we should not say that or offer them the city. A NAP with them is good but at that point I think we'll be in a position to have other people pay us for NAPs.

Also, Apolyton may be our next target! For security we should just post a couple of sentries around the future borders and that would be good enough to prevent a surprise attack.

EDIT: To clarify, I am not against Apolyton having that city. I think we shouldn't just offer it for a NAP. We should get a lot more in the exchange.

Kalin

[scooter]

I like the idea of keeping Apolyton open as a possible post-German target. Not that we should commit to that now, but a Wanzleben/NAP deal basically eliminates that possibility. That's a couple weeks away though, still, and may depend on how CFC reacts to our last offer.

[Sullla]

I think the odds are extremely high that Apolyton and the Germans have some kind of long-running NAP deal between them, and there's essentially no chance that Apolyton will jump into our war and try to pick off the scraps. Besides, I have no intention of giving them Wanzleben; we've going to raze that city and replace it two tiles to the south:




Wolfratshausen gets replaced one tile north, Wanzleben replaced two tiles south. The new city has sheep, cows, iron, can borrow the dry rice if needed, and should still be able to hold cultural control over the stone (it's second ring for the new city and third ring for Apolyton's city of Bursa). It becomes a middling production city, nothing great, but a solid and defensible location. The hills/peaks region to the northwest becomes the natural border with Apolyton.

We shouldn't cede any territory away to anyone in diplomacy if we can avoid it.