Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Tyrmith]

If we end up forced to talk about the land split, then our massive drafting spree should definitely be one of the reasons why we should get the better end of a land split. Just comparing WPC's total pop and the amount of pop we have drafted so far should be eye opening for them.

[pindicator]

Something we should decide among ourselves is just how far we are willing to go on a split. Would we be okay with 10/6, for instance? Not saying we should jump out with this number, but it would help scooter know where the line is

[sooooo]

The problem here is trying to phrase things back to WPC. Any suggestion of how we should split the lands needs to be accompanied with a way of phrasing it, because that's the tricky part.

Can anyone find the message where we previously agreed that we will take what we can? I've looked through the diplo record and can't seem to find it. Was that an actual agreement with WPC or just something we'd thought up here? If we could find it we could quote it.

[regoarrarr]

Something we should decide among ourselves is just how far we are willing to go on a split. Would we be okay with 10/6, for instance? Not saying we should jump out with this number, but it would help scooter know where the line is

Looking back at Sullla's map

I think I'd like to have Wien and Wittenberge, and maybe even Wilhelmshaven? That doesn't really leave much for WPC though so I think that would be a tough sell, at least until we get on the field of battle

Quick edit - Wien has the 'evil' Buddhism so maybe we even raze that and replant 1N? Hard to tell for sure w/o resource bubbles

[Old Harry]

I like Brian's suggestion for the less confrontational sentence.

Also how worried are we about t175 dogpile? If we want wpc to help when/if that happens then we value their good will. If we don't care because defending with a tech advantage is easy then we have a nap to t200 and they can keep what they take.

The good neighbour in me wants to advise them against stack splitting, but the Sulla in me says let them go fishing if they want. And of course Sulla's winning.

[Ruff_Hi]

As mentioned above, the rules of game outlaw land splits. You get what you take with no cities allowed to be gifted. That said, there are ways around this (we fight until we have captured our 'allotted' cities and then stop) but we can argue against this as not satisfying the aim of the war.

BTW - what are the aims? I think the aims are (in this order) ...

#1 - wipe out Germany
#2 - as quickly as possible
#3 - taking as many cities as we can
#4 - such that the resulting border is not 'stupid'

[pindicator]

I'd add:

#5) So WPC doesn't join in on a t170-175 dogpile

But we still should be able to get an uneven split and accomplish that

[kalin]

I think that if WPC started by wanting a 50/50 split, then they'll be quite disappointed at the end. I doubt that they'll be our friend after this. I thought they could be a good buffer, but I think that we may have to consider conquering them at some point. Also, atm we have a NAP with them until T200, right? If yes, then we shouldn't need to worry about them joining a dogpile on ~T175.

I didn't like how this sounds:

"We are definitely going to be declaring on T150 either way - we don't want to give the Incan team any more time to get to a dangerous tech like Feudalism."

How about:

"We strongly prefer declaring on T150 - we don't want to give the Incan team any more time to get to a dangerous tech like Feudalism."

I also suggest changing the "is that ok?" question at the end with:

"We hope that you can see our reasons to take this approach. Let us know what you think."

Their message may not be so out of touch with reality as some other people mentioned. If it worked, they would achieve a lot more than they could militarily.

Finally, what cities would we be willing to let them take?

Kalin

[NobleHelium]

Yeah whatever. I'm in favor of whatever doesn't involve giving WPC cities that they clearly can't take themselves.

[scooter]

Can anyone find the message where we previously agreed that we will take what we can? I've looked through the diplo record and can't seem to find it. Was that an actual agreement with WPC or just something we'd thought up here? If we could find it we could quote it.

There's never been an agreement or even discussion on city split prior to this. The only real comment on it was something like "I'm sure we'll come to a fair split" or something vague like that. We've just avoided the discussion which was probably for the best.