New Civilization 5 Expansion - Brave New World

[NobleHelium]

The Emperor's New Civilization?

[Kurumi]

Are they talking nomads? That's the only approach I can think of as for a civilization that is unique and believable.
Unless you want to take the mentioned Alpha Centauri races, then go ahead!

[Tasunke]

maybe its the Vatican xD

although Pueblo Indians being able to build improvements on mountains has been discussed.

Perhaps Venice can sport 2 boats per tile instead of one? o.O

[Tasunke]

I guess it depends on whether you feel the objective is to have "leaders who were important" or "leaders who you're ok assuming the role of." I mean, Civ has that role-playing aspect - the start of every game says something like "[LEADER], it's your duty to lead [CIVILIZATION] to greatness!"

Stalin bothers me not because "oh, folks told me to dislike him," but because his regime killed the families of people I know.

On the one hand, in a game with multiple leaders per civ, you can always choose *not* to play the people that make you uncomfortable ...

however on the other hand, I agree that *officially* adding in leaders who would cause people pain or anguish would lead to lower sales, and perhaps even run into ethical problems as well.

For historical purposes, I would think having Hitler as a German leader would be almost as bad as having Jefferson Davis as an American leader. I say almost as bad rather than worse than because, from a historical perspective at least, Hitler as German leader would be more accurate. Still, I think having Jefferson Davis as an American leader (American Empire) would make more sense than adding a second American Empire called the 'Confederate American Empire' or some such.

Just as bad if they used different language and Had United States of America and Confederate States of America ... its just too redundant. Have one America, and add both Union and Confederate leaders

Perhaps this is at least politically incorrect because the south was never intending to control the north, but for a game as large as Civilization I could see that aspect being handwaved.

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EITHER WAY, I feel that their impacts on the Societies they belonged to were either forgotten or reversed.

-> JD, brief Rebel

-> Hitler, brief empire (far to brief, imho, to put his standards and practices into common cultural use by the german people. IF the german reich had lasted a few hundred years then Id think the German people would have been more pervaded by Naziism, but as it is I think the Nazis were not in power long enough to permanently change the German way of thinking. Or are we saying that Germans are permanently influenced by what happened then and that they are a DUMBASS for censorship? If its just denial then ffs ... but as far as Empires go, yes the Nazi Empire was laughably brief. Whereas American presidencies are usually 4-8 years anyways.)

Examples:

Germany, Hitler focused on military build up and land based expansion built through conquest. After the war was lost, you see, among other things, a severe lack of Jingoistic political goals.

America, Jefferson Davis et al wanted increased states rights, and part of that reasoning was so that the Slave States could have more power and continue to be slave states without any interference or regulation from the north. Without the split and the war, slavery may have continued for several decades ... however due to the war, Lincoln immediately freed the slaves (from only the rebelling states) in order to *punish* the rebels. Additionally, by risking war and losing, the Southern politicians lost all influence in the Senate and House of Representatives, allowing the Federal government to take away a majority of the states rights at that time. It was this newly centralised post-war government that allowed for the formation of the USA everyone knows today.

[Ichabod]

Did you see the new Morroco civ, T-Hawk? It has an unique improvement that gives +1 food, +1 prod and +1 gold and can only be built on desert. Add petra to this and it can be really fun! 2, 4, 2 tiles (+1 faith) FTW!

Ah, and it gives defense like a fort too.

[T-hawk]

Well, assuming it's exclusive with other improvements as usual, that's actually not better than a farmed hill, 3-3-1 with Petra or 2-2-0 without. It would be better than a mined hill pre-Chemistry and just about on par after (by that late 1F no longer dominates 1H and they're about equal.)

[SevenSpirits]

"Hitler didn't rule long enough to be relevant."

-- Tasunke

[teleh]

WowUMMMM.... Just long enough to get himself killed, huh.

[Merovech]

"Hitler didn't rule long enough to be relevant."

-- Tasunke

...Uh, yeah, Tas, you might be a little off there.

[Bigger]

"Hitler didn't rule long enough to be relevant."

-- Tasunke

well only 2-3 times as long as Jefferson Davis . Anyway the confederate states only existed for 4 years, Germany has a lot longer history, so I don't think the comparison is apt at all. Hitler was in power longer than some of the leaders already in Civ 4, anyway (Washington, Churchill and Lincoln at least, I'm sure there are more).