What kind of aid are we allowed to give Civ.fr per the letter of our agreement with CFC?
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I would suggest that scooter draft a CivFr response. He seems to be able to tread the middle line pretty well. On the flip side, we can't take too long in replying or it will go cold. Maybe a quick message followed by a more thoughtful one?
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June 9th, 2013, 12:57
(This post was last modified: June 9th, 2013, 13:08 by fluffyflyingpig.)
Section 3. Non Aggression
3.1. The members agree not to conduct actions which will lead to a declaration of war between the members of this pact for the duration of the pact. 3.2. If any of the members is at war with a third party, the other member agrees not to gift units to that third party. 3.3. Both teams agree not to use Great Artists to culture bomb in cities touching culture with culture of the other team. Only relevant clauses. We can give CivFr/Spanish gold/military info/maps/everything but units. They can do likewise for the Germans. However this may fall under the giant 3.1 loophole....  CFC used 'we need to get our city settled, sign now and work the details out later' diplo pressure so we went along and no one ever changed the details, so we have what we have now.
3.1 is gigantic circular bullshit anyway.
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(June 9th, 2013, 14:31)sooooo Wrote: But seriously, what do we think about suggesting an alliiance to CivFr with us and WPC? I'm in favour, but think we need to go cautiously ahead with it. On the other hand, we are forced to be cautious about it in the beginning due to our present treaty with CFC.
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June 9th, 2013, 15:23
(This post was last modified: June 9th, 2013, 15:26 by antisocialmunky.)
So they can fight a 3(.1) front war? If we violate (in their view of 3.1), then what are they going to do?
Case 1: They hate us more than they do for gifting elephants to Civ Span (they probably have the same complaints that we have against them now) and stay silent because they want the NAP. Case 2: They cancel the NAP over the NAP violation and we start attacking them because they hate us and are fighting 3 civs at once. If you want to be pedantic, the cancellation email with CFC's big 'Chaos is a ladder' thing and what we heard from CP about CFC recruiting allies to attack RB constitute a violation of 3.1 because we are assuming war on T175. We've talked about declaring on T175 preemptively. That's about as much as 'actions which will lead to a declaration of war between the members of this pact for the duration of the pact'' as that vague self serving NAP rage quit clause and you can probably get without an NAP break. I suppose the vague wording could imply you can't have actions that lead to a war during the pact but that's a pants wettingly stupid tautology. So if someone feels like spending a month debating CFC whine, we could declare on CFC on CivFR's side right now.
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