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Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

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July 11th, 2013, 18:32
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Thanks for the visual Sullla. That helps a lot
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July 11th, 2013, 18:39
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I am finding myself more and more swayed by the arguments from Sullla and novice. That is I am leaning on taking all cities and moving on, then come T200 take even a few more cities if we can from WPC.

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July 11th, 2013, 19:02 (This post was last modified: July 11th, 2013, 19:06 by NobleHelium.)
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Minor correction on Sulla's post, Huron River is only at 20% culture as can be seen in this screenshot. Plus WPC is teching Monarchy, so we know how close they are to Feudalism, I guess.

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I don't expect any difficulty taking control of the marble tile and the associated desert tiles.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: it is now turn 160 which is the first turn that the NAP with CivPlayers can be put into cooldown for cancellation. Do we want to talk to them, possibly activate the cooldown or threaten to activate the cooldown, given what we said about a pre-emptive strike on them if they do not agree to a longer NAP?
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#5,034
July 11th, 2013, 19:06
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Convinced. Let's go take some cities.
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#5,035
July 11th, 2013, 19:21
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(July 11th, 2013, 18:32)pindicator Wrote: Thanks for the visual Sullla. That helps a lot

Yeah, no joke. We should take all four cities.

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July 11th, 2013, 19:35
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(July 11th, 2013, 19:02)NobleHelium Wrote: IMPORTANT NOTICE: it is now turn 160 which is the first turn that the NAP with CivPlayers can be put into cooldown for cancellation. Do we want to talk to them, possibly activate the cooldown or threaten to activate the cooldown, given what we said about a pre-emptive strike on them if they do not agree to a longer NAP?

Apolyton NAP ends that turn too, so it might be best to wait until T162 or something if we will cancel.
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#5,037
July 11th, 2013, 19:44
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I don't feel good about essentially making the threat and then not following through, but I think it would be perfectly understandable for us to tell CP that we're actually deciding against cancelling the NAP as planned, since we think there's no way CFC will be prepared for a war on turn 175, and we're not actually interested in conquering them, just in self-defense.

Gives reasoning as to why we're backing away from our threat that isn't "we'd lose", and might shake their faith in a CFC turn 175 attack.
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July 11th, 2013, 19:50 (This post was last modified: July 11th, 2013, 19:54 by Cyneheard.)
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(July 11th, 2013, 18:39)kalin Wrote: I am finding myself more and more swayed by the arguments from Sullla and novice. That is I am leaning on taking all cities and moving on.

Not going to comment on the T200 side of things, but I'm convinced. Let's go kill the Germans and take their stuff. WPC will be fortunate if they don't lose anything.
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#5,039
July 11th, 2013, 20:36
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I'm going to throw up a poll. I'm curious what everyone actually feels like doing.
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July 11th, 2013, 20:41 (This post was last modified: July 11th, 2013, 20:41 by Tyrmith.)
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The fact is also that WPC brought this on their own head for their stupid early game attack. The Germans would have been far more rational if WPC hadn't attacked stupidly early throwing away any chance for the Germans to be competitive. It's certainly not our fault.
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