Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Mardoc]

but I've added the WPC clause

Um, maybe I'm blind, but I don't see it in what you've posted.

[scooter]

Uh, apparently I pasted the old one and not the new one, and I definitely closed the document containing the new one without saving . Give me a few minutes and I'll try that again.

[scooter]

Okay let's try that again. I also added in the OB thing. I don't see a point in adding in the first dibs on resources thing, because I feel like neither team really followed that last time around.

1) Current Deals
A) All current deals are still in effect until their expiration on T175.
B) These cannot be canceled in any way except for the opt-out clause in Section 2A-B

2) Opt-out Clause
A) If at any point during the length of this agreement (expiring on T200) Realms Beyond declares war on another team, CFC can choose to opt-out of all current agreements with RB if they believe it's in their team's interest to do so.
B) If at any point during the length of this agreement (expiring on T200) CFC declares war on WPC, Realms Beyond can choose to opt-out of all current agreements with CFC if they believe it's in their team's interest to do so.
C) The window for this is 3T. Example: If RB declares war on a neighbor on T168, CFC has until the end of T171 to notify RB that they would like to opt out of their agreements with RB. After the 3T window is closed, the agreements can no longer be canceled unless RB declares war again.
D) The opt-out does not apply to any other wars. This means none of the following qualify: on-going wars, wars in which a 3rd party declares on RB, wars in which CFC is involved in, or anything else that does not explicitly follow section 2A-B.
E) This opt-out clause takes effect immediately upon agreement of the deal by both sides.
F) Exception: Team RB has made it clear to our neighbors that if they use spies to revolt our civics or religion, we consider that to be an act of war. If one of our neighbors does that to us, we will consider that to be a declaration of war on us, so we would be free to officially declare war in game and retaliate without opening up the opt-out window. RB does not expect this to happen, because we either have spy agreements or very clear warnings with all of our neighbors.

3) T175-T200 agreement
A) NAP agreement from T175-T200, which goes into effect immediately upon the previous deal expiring on T175.
B) EP agreement to target EPs at other teams as long as both sides are able to view graphs. RB and CFC will not run EP missions against each other.
C) Extension of Open Borders throught he duration of the agreement.
D) No NAP loopholes or exploitation. This includes:
-No gifting (or trading) units, gold, or strategic resources to a nation the other side is at war with. If such deals are in place prior to a war, they must be canceled if a war begins. Example: If RB is trading iron to a neighbor of CFC and a war breaks out between that neighbor and CFC, RB will cancel the trade immediately. Note: Brand new trades must wait 10T to cancel, so if advance warning can be provided, it must be followed. If it is not provided, then the deal must be canceled on the earliest possible turn. Also, health resources and non-strategic luxuries are not covered by this provision and are free to trade.
-No doing damage to land/units/resources that the other has claim to, even if cultural borders allow it (pillaging in the BFC of recently captured/razed cities)
-No granting Right of Passage to and/or aiding an army that has the intent of hurting the other party or giving tactical scouting info to the 3rd party.
E) By "Expiring on T200" that means the deal is effective through EOT199. During T200, the deal is no longer in effect.

[antisocialmunky]

Hypothetical Cases not quite covered pertaining to WPC:

What if WPC goes retard mode because they are tired of failing at this game and attack CFC to cash out of the game?
What if we gift WPC some boats and some modern units to try and snipe a UniverCiv city?

I think the current version is pretty solid though.

[scooter]

What if WPC goes retard mode because they are tired of failing at this game and attack CFC to cash out of the game?

Their funeral, I don't care THAT much.

What if we gift WPC some boats and some modern units to try and snipe a UniverCiv city?

That would be pretty sketchy of us to do according to this agreement. I think that scenario is like < 1% chance of happening.

[NobleHelium]

There is no way that WPC is going to be able to use anything short of destroyers and infantry to conquer anyone.

[Nicolae Carpathia]

ASM is concerned that WPC would rage out and attack CFC and in return lose all their land without us being able to respond appropriately.

[kalin]

After looking for the WPC clause in the first message very carefully I read the second message and it sounds good.

Kalin

[Ruff_Hi]

I know this is a little dicky ... but I would suggest the following change so that someone doesn't get creative ...

3) T175-T200 agreement
A) NAP agreement from T175-T200, which goes into effect immediately upon the previous deal expiring on T175.

[Zargon]

Does "expiring on turn 200" mean war can be declared on turn 200 or not?

I would phrase it as expiring at the beginning/end of turn 200.

Fake edit: oh, just saw the clarification at the very bottom. If you're going to make it a separate point instead of just clarifying the points themselves, I'd put the clarification at the top, or right after the first place it appears.