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I am also thinking along same lines... It's time to put specifics on this deal...
(August 4th, 2013, 08:50)mostly_harmless Wrote: Do we have an idea how much cash Univers can offer us on our push to Rifling?
Will it allow us to run 100% or 80% science or how much, roughly?
And which turn are we then looking at to have Rifles?
Thanks.
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(August 4th, 2013, 03:52)kjn Wrote: Saying we are safe after Rifling wouldn't be overconfident, just confident.
The thing I'm a little worried about is that we align ourselves long-term with Univers, and then buy off CFC with a long NAP who then set their sights on Univers.
+1
This would be a bad scenario for us diplomatically
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(August 4th, 2013, 10:02)pindicator Wrote: (August 4th, 2013, 03:52)kjn Wrote: Saying we are safe after Rifling wouldn't be overconfident, just confident.
The thing I'm a little worried about is that we align ourselves long-term with Univers, and then buy off CFC with a long NAP who then set their sights on Univers.
+1
This would be a bad scenario for us diplomatically
Yeah, all the more reason to buy off Apolyton + CivPlayers instead and then we can 2v1 CFC with UniversCiv. I acknowledge that buying off Apolyton + CivPlayers seems unlikely to happen though.
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I highly doubt we'll be able to buy off anyone. They know this is make or break. I wouldn't worry about too much after the war, this might be the last war.
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Looks like the game is down again, but assuming it is up later I will log in and check how quickly we can get to Rifling at 100% and how much gold UCiv can give us per turn.
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What about instead of asking for graphs offering to give them ours/asking for a trade? I realize they may have all the ones we do but we could phrase it as "sharing info, including map trades in game or screenshots of EP graphs, etc."
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Okay so we lose 721 gpt at 100% and can get Rifling in 7-8t fully funded. So that's about 5000-5500 gold that we would need to finish Rifling as soon as possible. 
UCiv are only making 30 gpt right now, I guess they run breakeven?
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Switched things around slightly, sent this:
RB Wrote:Yuufo,
Absolutely we can keep things a secret. It's probably best if you send the lump sums every turn rather than building up and sending a lot all at once. If you space it out, it'll be a lot harder to detect. Understood about the resources. If you change your mind, let me know!
We would of course promise to never use a Rifle against you, and we would be happy to take a very long NAP with you. It's T160 right now, so I don't know, how about T250? If you'd prefer a different number, just let me know and we'll probably agree to it  . In terms of military operations, I expect initially we'll mainly be defending ourselves. We have enough cities to draft pretty freely, so once we have drafted Rifles, we should be able to defend ourselves properly. Maybe we can work together militarily in the near future.
Thanks,
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* Decided to skip the graphs thing. It's not really valuable information at all, and I think it's better to hold back on requests, especially while we're getting gold up front from them.
* Adjusted the wording to strike a balance between not sounding arrogant or desperate. Honestly, it makes almost no difference IMO.
As for who to buy off, the reality is CFC will be much easier to buy off, if anyone will at all. We just offered CivPlayers 70 units and they said nah not interested. CFC has the least reason to want to be involved with a 3v1, so the price to buy them out will be smaller regardless.
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(August 4th, 2013, 11:18)novice Wrote: (August 4th, 2013, 10:02)pindicator Wrote: (August 4th, 2013, 03:52)kjn Wrote: Saying we are safe after Rifling wouldn't be overconfident, just confident.
The thing I'm a little worried about is that we align ourselves long-term with Univers, and then buy off CFC with a long NAP who then set their sights on Univers.
+1
This would be a bad scenario for us diplomatically
Yeah, all the more reason to buy off Apolyton + CivPlayers instead and then we can 2v1 CFC with UniversCiv. I acknowledge that buying off Apolyton + CivPlayers seems unlikely to happen though.
Would CivFr be more amendable to join a two team coalition? If anything, that would equalize things a whole lot.
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Realistically, what can we offer these guys if they do send us gold? Return with interest? Units?
The NAP is nice, but is there anything we can realistically offer them, other than a chance to move up the leaderboard?
Tinfoil hat time, could they be part of the coalition and be trying to mine us for info?
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