Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Ichabod]

Considering the result of the AP vote, where Civfr decided not to end the war with CFC, do you guys think we should try to contact CivFr once more? I know it seems like wasted effort, but look at UCiv, it finally ended up happening after a long time. Maybe just drop a note about CFC having Cannons and attacking us and that they can freely attack CFC in the next turns, since CFC, Poly and CivPlayers are going to dogpile us. If CivFr attacks one of these 3 civs, it's a good thing for us - we don't need more cooperation than that.

[Qgqqqqq]

Wish we could...pity there's only one private game.
But yeah, I can see why that would be awkward to chat about, but this is totally a 3v1.
At least we got good relations with UCiv...

Still, props to scooter for the attempt, as doomed as it probably was.

[scooter]

A stab at contact with CivFr.

Hey guys, just wanted to check in with you guys. As far as we can tell, CFC is headed for Cannons. Our western neighbors are also gearing up for war, and I'm pretty sure they'll aim at us. We figure CFC is going to do one of two things. 1) Use the cannons on us or 2) Take advantage of our western neighbor's build-up to hit you guys with cannons when we can't keep them honest.

Not sure exactly what will happen, but it seems we have a mutual enemy, so I wanted to see how things were on your front. I've noticed the war is pretty quiet, but I also saw the attempted AP resolution. Any big updates over there?

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

Thoughts?

[Bigger]

yeah thats probably best bet.. "hey wanna ally we need your help" isn't going to be effective at all, might as well just try for a dialogue.

[NobleHelium]

Sure that sounds good.

[antisocialmunky]

Can someone post the section from the NAP treaty with CFC about cancellation again? We were trying to figure out ways of wiping out their border city.

[NobleHelium]

3) ASM also mentioned the "actions leading to war" clause (supposedly 3.1) with our agreement with CFC. I mean, Yossarian basically just told us that they're going to attack us, right? So isn't that taking an action that will lead to war, which is prohibited for the duration of the NAP? So can we just attack them and burn their border city now? Our knights can get in range in three turns and attack on the fourth turn.

[SleepingMoogle]

I'd love it if we can turn the lawyer-speak of the agreement back into their faces. So a definite yes! if this is possible.

[mostly_harmless]

Do we need our knights in the east? If so, then don't attack.
Also, we lose the marble: no big deal.
And we lose trade income with CFC, which is offset by the newly open borders with UCiv. I am assuming those will be routed through WPC somehow.

And of course there will be a major diplo fall out, no matter how we spin it. NAPs with us will be seen as worthless after this. While probably not a big deal with UCIv, I can see WPC trying to get ideas. And of course any post war deal with Apolyton & CivPLayers will be affected.

mh

[Qgqqqqq]

Yeah that would really undermine RBs reputation, both here, and just generally (I'm not talking about future demogames, just general attitude of the fora). I'm not saying I think that's important, but we do need to keep it in mind.