October 19th, 2009, 06:02
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Honestly, I think the whole espionage system is a giant waste of time, and Civ4 was vastly better with the simplified system from the pre-expansion game. In other words, you can pretty much guess how Speaker and I are voting on this subject.
October 19th, 2009, 08:08
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You can copy paste what Sullla wrote and put it here.
Me no likey espionage
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October 19th, 2009, 09:31
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Cyneheard Wrote:Sunrise, I'm not sure you wanted me to do that:
1. Athlete
2. Broker33 + Plako
3. Jowy + Yazilliclick
4. DMOC + Nakor
5. Iamjohn + Kodii
6. Speaker + Sullla
7. Mortius
8. Danski
9. LiPing
10. Regoarrarr + darrelljs + sunrise089
Courtesy of random.org. So are we ready to start picking? I don't think we need to wait for more map information, as we already have a general sense of what the map committee is going to do. I can't imagine either that passive vs. active espionage really makes THAT much of a difference in the leader selection. We've had this list for almost three days now, so... isn't it time to get started? ![[Image: smile.gif]](http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Smilies/smile.gif)
October 19th, 2009, 10:35
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Sullla Wrote:So are we ready to start picking? I don't think we need to wait for more map information, as we already have a general sense of what the map committee is going to do. I can't imagine either that passive vs. active espionage really makes THAT much of a difference in the leader selection. We've had this list for almost three days now, so... isn't it time to get started?
Yes. I wanted to defer to the map team and let them give the official word, but that doesn't appear to happen. Teams can begin picking at their leisure, however I won't force anyone to pick before the espionage issue is resolved.
October 19th, 2009, 10:45
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Current espionage votes:
Athlete - No restrictions
Broker33 + Plako - No restrictions
Jowy + Yazilliclick
DMOC + Nakor - No restrictions
Iamjohn + Kodii - No spies
Speaker + Sullla - No espionage
Mortius - Specific missions banned
Danski - No espionage
LiPing - Passive only/No spies (voted equally for both)
Regoarrarr + darrelljs + sunrise089
So the tally, with three teams yet to vote, looks like this:
*No Restrictions - 3
*Specific missions banned - 1
*Passive only - 1/2
*No spies - 1 1/2
*Espionage turned off - 2
October 19th, 2009, 10:52
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Going on infomation levels given in previous games, all I think that should really be said is that each team will have contact with all others via land or galley, so no waiting for optics for full contact. Nothing else ought to be released until after the game has started, going on previous "traditions".
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October 19th, 2009, 10:53
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We are voting:
No Spies
Just a point to keep in mind, even if No Restrictions gets the most votes, most of the teams have voted to restrict Espionage to some extent, so we should probably come up with a compromise that all the anti-Espionage teams can agree upon.
October 19th, 2009, 10:55
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Sullla Wrote:I can't imagine either that passive vs. active espionage really makes THAT much of a difference in the leader selection.
Assuming we don't choose "no espionage" option.  Gathering 20 culture instead of 10 to pop up city borders would make a very big difference 
October 19th, 2009, 10:59
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I'n also ok with specific missions banned or actually I would prefer hand picking least broken missions that are allowed. There aren't that many of them needed to make espionage points useful enough.
October 19th, 2009, 11:05
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sunrise089 Wrote:Current espionage votes:
Athlete - No restrictions
Broker33 + Plako - No restrictions
Jowy + Yazilliclick
DMOC + Nakor - No restrictions
Iamjohn + Kodii - No spies
Speaker + Sullla - No espionage
Mortius - Specific missions banned
Danski - No espionage
LiPing - Passive only/No spies (voted equally for both)
Regoarrarr + darrelljs + sunrise089
So the tally, with three teams yet to vote, looks like this:
*No Restrictions - 3
*Specific missions banned - 1
*Passive only - 1/2
*No spies - 1 1/2
*Espionage turned off - 2
I don't think the list is accurate.
Sulla/Speaker - didn't vote
Mortius - didn't vote neither. My vote will go to the most backed option other than "espionage turned off".
Dantsky - "Me no likey espionage" what this means? No spies, no missions, or no espionage at all?
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