October 17th, 2013, 11:34
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You guys are hilarious! :D
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
October 29th, 2013, 15:13
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CivPlayers' diplomat got me on chat and tried to pump me for some information about a possible lie UCiv told them. I don't know the nature of the allegation and don't care, but I tried not to give up the game whatever it is by not telling him what he wanted to know.
chat with CivPlayers Wrote:9:53:40 AM - CivPlayers: hi
9:53:52 AM - Xenu: hello
9:53:52 AM - CivPlayers: I wanted to ask you 1 small question
9:53:55 AM - Xenu: sure
9:54:10 AM - CivPlayers: can you tell us how much gold did UCIV give to you?
9:54:22 AM - CivPlayers: if it is not secret 
9:54:33 AM - CivPlayers: and you gave them spy right?
9:54:39 AM - Xenu: i don't know the answer about the gold, but when are you referring to?
9:55:25 AM - CivPlayers: between turns 168-175
9:55:52 AM - Xenu: oh hmm...i'm not sure of the amount to be honest, just enough to get to rifling though
9:56:06 AM - Xenu: and we've been trying to pay them back ever since. obviously we're not quite going to make it.
9:56:58 AM - CivPlayers: ok, it is just a matter of statistics
9:57:05 AM - CivPlayers: we were tracking their gold
9:57:27 AM - CivPlayers: but probably got some mistake or they lie us a bit
9:57:29 AM - CivPlayers: no problem
9:57:33 AM - CivPlayers: and GS gone them, right?
9:57:46 AM - Xenu: yeah, i'm not being too intentionally vague, but if you're asking for information it's probably going to help you guys vis a vis them, so i don't want to help you too much
9:57:57 AM - Xenu: since they were the only civ who wanted to help us live and all.
9:58:35 AM - CivPlayers: no this wont help us
9:58:42 AM - Xenu: GS could have been killed in a city capture, or deleted, or settled in our remaining city for all you know that secret will go to the grave with us, at least until the forums open up after the game.
9:58:57 AM - CivPlayers: just want to check if they are honest
9:59:01 AM - Xenu: oh, hmm.
9:59:03 AM - CivPlayers: it can help them if you say
9:59:04 AM - CivPlayers:
9:59:15 AM - CivPlayers: because I am currently thinking that they just lie
9:59:17 AM - Xenu: i don't know whether they're being honest with you guys or not, i don't know the details. but as far as we're aware they were always honest with us.
9:59:51 AM - Xenu: now, they did tie themselves to us with that loan so who knows, if you're in an adversarial relationship with them they may take a different approach with diplomacy and truth. but i can't say, i don't know.
10:00:36 AM - CivPlayers: ok, thank you anyway
10:05:59 AM - Xenu: hmm. i don't know what they've told you so i'd rather not say anything one way or the other and help catch them in a lie.
10:06:36 AM - CivPlayers: you can help in justifying them
10:06:45 AM - CivPlayers: but ok I got your point
Then I tried to get some info about the war against the WPC infidel dogs. Lo and behold, CFC being asses about it (and Apolyton too).
Quote:10:07:16 AM - Xenu: i haven't kept a close watch on civstats lately, how is the war going against WPC?
10:07:41 AM - Xenu: i saw from MH's last screen shot that their score is far below ours again, so they must have whipped a lot of population away or lost cities
10:08:04 AM - CivPlayers: yes CFC told them that we were preparing an attack
10:08:13 AM - Xenu: they gave them warning?
10:08:16 AM - Xenu: that was kind of a dick move
10:08:17 AM - CivPlayers: so they slaved more than for entire game probably
10:08:39 AM - CivPlayers: yes, Apolyton also broke road to them to slow us down
10:08:47 AM - CivPlayers: but we took one city
10:08:51 AM - CivPlayers: so far
10:08:59 AM - Xenu: but that's how CFC plays diplomacy. allies of convenience, i guess they don't need your help any more so now they don't want to help you.
10:09:11 AM - Xenu: surprising about apolyton though, i thought they were good allies.
10:09:19 AM - Xenu: i guess it's a dog eat dog world now
10:09:57 AM - CivPlayers: yes this describes situation well
10:12:01 AM - Xenu: well the wolves are closing in on us in the ice. good luck to you, and please eat WPC quickly has anyone else declared war on them? i expect Uciv probably should but i haven't heard anything about that (i don't actually talk to them)
10:12:49 AM - CivPlayers: we will do our best
10:13:00 AM - CivPlayers: uciv will probably start at T200
10:13:08 AM - CivPlayers: but now they are gifting them units
10:13:12 AM - Xenu: what turn is it now?
10:13:18 AM - CivPlayers: 192
10:13:23 AM - Xenu: that may be too late
10:13:29 AM - Xenu: (we'll probably be dead i mean)
10:14:01 AM - Xenu: uciv is gifting units to WPC? what's the point? they'll misuse them most likely and not defend anything correctly.
10:14:16 AM - Xenu: i guess they're whipping a lot of longbows?
10:15:10 AM - CivPlayers: I dont understand their intentions, probably they are hoping to delay us, but they cant declare us war directly because of NAP
10:15:18 AM - CivPlayers: longbows and spearman
10:16:21 AM - Xenu: it seems gifting units to an enemy of a NAP partner would be a violation of the "non-aggressive" part of the deal. unless they had some separate deal to protect WPC or something.
10:16:45 AM - Xenu: i guess it doesn't matter, spears and longbows are mostly going to be easy XP for your cuirassiers
10:17:45 AM - CivPlayers: we also think it is violation
10:18:08 AM - CivPlayers: we dont make "big paper" deals describing everything like CFC
10:18:31 AM - CivPlayers: but some obvious things we expect from our partners
So there it is. CFC and Apolyton are trying to slow CivPlayers' attack against WPC, although they aren't attacking CivPlayers. Probably only because they must have an agreement not to do that as of now. But in any event WPC are whipping a lot of units and getting some gifts from UCiv. Maybe they'll have more success defending than they did attacking before. 
October 29th, 2013, 15:14
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In review I used too many smiley faces. Next time I'll use angry faces.
October 29th, 2013, 18:29
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Why didn't you tell him to go die in a fire? I thought that was the point of you?
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October 29th, 2013, 19:37
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(October 29th, 2013, 18:29)Old Harry Wrote: Why didn't you tell him to go die in a fire? I thought that was the point of you?
Gosh xenu, we give you one simple job....
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October 29th, 2013, 20:48
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Oh Christ give it a rest. I was in a good mood today, it was my last day in the office before being on vacation for a week. I'll issue maternal insults next time.
October 29th, 2013, 21:16
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Maternal insults? You should be pulling out the grand-maternal insults. 
October 29th, 2013, 21:23
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Only noble could say badmouthing someone's mother isn't bad enough.
What happened to you man? Where is the seat of your anger? It burns deeeeeeeeep.
October 30th, 2013, 01:52
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WPC lost another city last turn.
They also asked us for peace "for the sake of the turn timer" which is rubbish as they have the first half with civplayers, so it does not help at all.
And the big war alliance is falling apart? Uh! Who would have thought that! Funny they are coming to us for info and complaining.
As for UnivCiv, I agree, they have been nothing but honest with us. I think we are not too far off repaying the loan. In fact I would really like to confirm with them how much we received and how much we repaid.
mh
October 30th, 2013, 05:59
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