February 1st, 2014, 18:32
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Yeah the upgrade path makes march scary. I feel that the minor difference in strength against mounted is, well, not negligible but swords are good enough to defend and inflict losses against HA but still make catapults deal less damage as collateral to other units compared to defending with spears.
I kinda wish they had been implemented as ckassical era catapults like CKN are for China. But thats a huge change. Freidrich used that explanation back in beta but it's not how they are in practice.
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February 1st, 2014, 19:00
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All that said if Swords were to be deleted from the game I doubt anyone would notice or care, but I dont necessarily think that's a bad thing.
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February 1st, 2014, 19:05
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I think swords are fine.
I agree w/ Krill about them being underrated. If they were unlocked w/ Bronze working along w/ axes, they would be used a lot more frequently.
its ok that some units are used less than others. They still have a purpose from time to time.
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February 1st, 2014, 21:05
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Quote:Posted by Krill
Elephants are rarer due to cost (60 hammers!) and don't get tile defence. Strength 7 units in a 40% city defend at 11.55 ignoring hills or promotions; the WE is still at 7, 10.5 against HA. Swords at 40 hammers are easier to produce.
I thought that cultural city defence bonus is still applied to Elephants, Knights and other "doesn't receive defence bonuses" units? Or is it an Elephant-specific RBmod change?
February 1st, 2014, 21:12
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Nope only unit specific fastmovers like Immortals get defensive boni.
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February 1st, 2014, 22:17
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Yeah, you're right. Strange, always thought it was the opposite.
February 1st, 2014, 22:24
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(February 1st, 2014, 19:00)Krill Wrote: All that said if Swords were to be deleted from the game I doubt anyone would notice or care, but I dont necessarily think that's a bad thing. Perhaps I should note part of it is an aesthetic objection; the unique artstyles and looks for the various sword units are excellent, while axes are dull and save for the "middle east" all the same.
Just seems like a wasted unit. 
February 1st, 2014, 23:13
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Perhaps it's worth considering making swords literally a copy of axes, right down to cost, bonuses, and tech requirements.
If we aren't going to make them a viable unit, the least we can do is make them worth building just for aesthetic variety, rather than pretending they don't exist.
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February 1st, 2014, 23:21
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Well, they're viable if resourceless and able to 2-move through forests...or 2-move through hills with the possibility of getting 50% withdraw...or strength 7...
February 1st, 2014, 23:22
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Maybe increase their city attack from 10% to 25%?
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