One Night WW #2

[Bacchus]

On a different note, my feeling that 48 hours is too much has only grown stronger. If we start on Saturday afternoon, Sunday evening is easily a good enough time to finish, plus is the most likely time that all the players can be online for the final bit of discussing and coordination.

I can be the gamemaster for the next game, if there's call for it.

[Cyneheard]

On a different note, my feeling that 48 hours is too much has only grown stronger. If we start on Saturday afternoon, Sunday evening is easily a good enough time to finish, plus is the most likely time that all the players can be online for the final bit of discussing and coordination.

I can be the gamemaster for the next game, if there's call for it.

I agree - 36 hours feels right.

And village had no hope this game. 4 different people had reason to believe that they were tanner at some point - Rowain, myself, Meiz, and Ryan, and two Minions in the other three players. And having a triple-claim of troublemaker where all of us were lying...

If Bacchus had read Troublemaker, it would have been really interesting. We had no roles that traded cards with the reserve (if Drunk is in the game, I think the seer should read a player for this reason).

[BRickAstley]

I'd be fine with trying a 36 hour deadline next time.

[Ryan]

I think we can also create very nice setup ideas for lower number games. Like 10 player games. It was a tempting idea in the start for me to make my game that much.

[Meiz]

Scummy play might indicate minion / tanner as well, which loses the game for villagers. And Rowain claimed tanner while cyneheard claimed he swapped me an Rowain

That depends on how you define "scummy play". I didn't get the impression that you wanted to be lynched.

Damn, I thought claiming 3 different roles without knowing if villagers counterclaim would have done the trick :P

[Lewwyn]

As I said in the spoiled, well deserved win Cyneheard. That was really well played. I thought I had it all figured out and Bacchus, you, myself and gore were my only safe lynches. Of those I hoped for either myself or you. But both of us lied the entire way through. No troublemaker at all! What a twist.!

@ Zakalwe: Gore and I were both minion and didn't want to vote Meiz because we suspected he was a) the tanner and b) if we said he was scummy and people believed Cyne to be the true TM then they would understand that Rowain was the new WW. Rowain would think Meiz was the new tanner and wouldn't want to lynch him. So in the end only Bacchus, cyne and ryan were left. Ryan checked out and Bacchus never went after Meiz. Cyne wouldn't want to go after Meiz because he wanted people to believe he'd switched Rowain (tanner) with Meiz, and he wanted to be lynched himself. SO lots of reasons no one could get it up for IMO the scummiest played in the game.

[Goreripper]

I would have voted with the boss but I was already gone for the day.

[Cyneheard]

@ Zakalwe: Gore and I were both minion and didn't want to vote Meiz because we suspected he was a) the tanner and b) if we said he was scummy and people believed Cyne to be the true TM then they would understand that Rowain was the new WW. Rowain would think Meiz was the new tanner and wouldn't want to lynch him. So in the end only Bacchus, cyne and ryan were left. Ryan checked out and Bacchus never went after Meiz. Cyne wouldn't want to go after Meiz because he wanted people to believe he'd switched Rowain (tanner) with Meiz, and he wanted to be lynched himself. SO lots of reasons no one could get it up for IMO the scummiest played in the game.

Although lynching Rowain would've meant the Wolves won after all....

And I think that One Night WW doesn't reward being so obviously scummy like Meiz - the Minion, Tanner, and Hunter all want to die. But no one else wants the Tanner to die, and the Hunter is a shot in the dark. The other danger is that, like Goreripper's "I'm the tanner!" "Again!" play, your posts just get ignored - they're too obviously misleading.

There's also a lot of luck involved; if either Meiz or Bacchus had given BRick "Right" instead of Center or Left, I doubt my intentionally-lying-but-not-obviously-lying plan would've worked. If Meiz had given "Right", I think the game would have been even more insane - Meiz would've been lying about his Troublemaking...but he'd know that no one could truthfully counter-claim him. He'd have probably stuck to his original story.

My thought process for my initial claim:
- I knew that I wanted to get caught lying. But not try so hard that I looked like I was trying to get caught lying.
- Rowain's "Oh we are in a time slip" made my initial claim gel:
- Claiming Rowain as a troublemaking target was very safe, since I knew what he was, and it was a decent way to get in his head a little.
- I was telling the truth about why I swapped you, Rowain: I've always had a hard time reading you.
- If I was Troublemaker, I think I would've chosen Rowain/Meiz
- And it was too perfect to try and mess with Meiz that way

Then once Lewwyn made a serious counter-claim, I had to play out my initial plan (get caught in a lying match vs. Meiz) with a different target
- I never suspected that Lewwyn was lying, as well. I was starting to wonder why he wasn't trying very hard to prove me wrong, but it never clicked. I knew he wasn't the Tanner.
- Even though I thought it was very suspicious that Lewwyn was biding his time as much as he was to full-reveal his switch
- I had no idea who the wolves were. 5 of us seemed to be either:
- True Tanner
- Ex-Tanner
- Claiming Tanner
- A "troublemaker" target with the Tanner

[Lewwyn]

It was fun.

[BRickAstley]

And a lot of fun to watch too.