[LURKERS] Sweet 16: Civ Party Fun Time and Philosophical Debate

[2metraninja]

Just leaving this here:

Is this game still open for signups? I've been lurking at Realms Beyond for a little while and this seemed like a good time to register. I haven't played any Multiplayer games before, although I did create and join a number of succession games at CivFanatics a few years ago.

I am not familiar with RB Mod and would prefer the normal BtS game. I wouldn't care about any other settings aside from turning off tech trading. I read some of the Pitboss 9 game here and the tech trading didn't look very interesting.

New players should play as a team member or in a greens game.

Heh. "Mike" did end up ragequitting, so the advice was sound

to that.

Also, I will use this post to express my disappointment (quite late, yes) of the game conceding so quickly. I do understand that the bunch of players who was hoping to win saw Seven/Krill will win for sure (kudos to them both for their awesome game) did not see reason/appeal any more to play the game, but for me personally, I was enjoying it. OK {15 seconds for self-advertising} I am used to win the pitbosses I play or at least have chances {/15 seconds for self-advertising} ,where in this game I had none for a number of reasons (all good ones), but It was new (and not that bad) experience for me trying to play to get as good as I can position and to achieve my small goals.

Some more rant:

Completely different story (on a level of disappointment for me) is no one even informed me (let alone ask me -as a player in this game- what is my humble opinion) about ending the game. Yeah, I must be looked upon like .... an evil alien ... in New York ... here at rb, or insignificant as a fly in this game, but still... I had to see the game paused for a long on Civstats and go check whats the reason only to find out the game was ended. Enough said *missing emoticon with thumb down*.

To end this somewhat negative post with something positive:
Good job to the forum admins for actually putting spoiler and screenshot tags buttons

[Hashoosh]

You mean this little guy?

I guess the convention is that one of the 2nd/3rd/4th place contenders initiates concession in their thread/pm to admin, and then a lurker/the admin contacts the other people who have a shot. That being Yuri, Gavagai and Commogore (I think).

[2metraninja]

If I was to describe in which civic Rb forum is, it would be Caste System for sure.

[SevenSpirits]

Couple of thoughts.

I have been pretty well convinced that smurfing should not be accepted in future games.

1) From Noble: posing as new players can hurt the reputation of new players and damage their ability to interact honestly on the site.
2) From Mackoti: smurfs can engage in poor behavior and then not reveal who they are, and therefore get away with it.

I think the lack of any message post-game from Sullla - assuming that Mikehendi is actually him which I think is pretty clear - is a really poor choice. He pissed some people off over the turn timer in game and tried to conduct diplo with unit naming and pretended to be someone else who was a new player. It's been a while now and unless I missed it he's said nothing.

Second, about what 2metraninja is talking about, quitting the game. To a large extent I agree, and I would like to see games played out longer. But I understand this is a result of whether people are having fun. So let me put it this way: I wish people would generally continue to find fun in the game even if they think they know who will win.

I joined the game intending to pick a terrible leader and fully expecting to be in a mediocre position by this stage of the game. Was I going to quit? Hell no! It's only as the person being conceded to that I don't think I have much right to say no.

2metra, I am sure your opinion wasn't discounted because of your position, but it was just decided that enough of a majority wants to quit that it should happen. I can understand not wanting it to require a unanimous opinion.

[Krill]

I've posted guidelines for how concessions should be handled in the past (lurkers post in thread/inform game admin they wish to concede) but I don't think any game has explicitly used it, or even that the guidelines are accepted by the community.

[WilliamLP]

I joined the game intending to pick a terrible leader and fully expecting to be in a mediocre position by this stage of the game.

That's the funny part to me, that you tried to pick a bad leader and civ combination but actually unknowingly picked the single best civ and trait (aggressive) for your starting position.

[Gaspar]

I don't really think we handled the concession as well as it could have and I also managed to find fun as best as possible in the game but I don't see the point in continuing a game when the result is beyond doubt. I agree with and respect the idea of finding your own fun but ultimately we play to find a winner and that happened here. As long as France or Azteca or Greece had at least the illusion of a chance, then the game's worth playing. But once that's gone, its proper to end the game. And I don't think anyone believes there was any realistic scenario that didn't involve a Zulu win.

And @2metra, sorry if this isn't nice, but I don't think its unreasonable to expect players to visit the forum that's hosting their game semi-regularly.

[2metraninja]

I am speaking about 1 day, not many days. And my disappointment comes from what I have found when I checked the forum.

[SevenSpirits]

I joined the game intending to pick a terrible leader and fully expecting to be in a mediocre position by this stage of the game.

That's the funny part to me, that you tried to pick a bad leader and civ combination but actually unknowingly picked the single best civ and trait (aggressive) for your starting position.

I think almost any trait would be better for our starting position than aggressive, and about 5 would have been better than spiritual. Zulu was certainly a top tier civ. I can confidently laugh at the idea that aggressive was the best trait, that is a pretty funny suggestion.

[WilliamLP]

I think almost any trait would be better for our starting position than aggressive, and about 5 would have been better than spiritual. Zulu was certainly a top tier civ. I can confidently laugh at the idea that aggressive was the best trait, that is a pretty funny suggestion.

You don't think free C1 was important for swaying any key die rolls in your early duel?