RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Peter of Byzantium

[darrelljs]

Should we bring Spiros back up to Athens? He might be more useful scouting the vast, unihabited, fertile, continent to the north.

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

Should we bring Spiros back up to Athens? He might be more useful scouting the vast, unihabited, fertile, continent to the north.

Darrell

An interesting thought, but given the situation, I don't know how we can get him back into Athens w/o him going on flat land (and certain death)

[regoarrarr]

Okay - so I did a bit of thinking about Operation Shilling (youtube video but SFW as long as your work doesn't mind videos)

So, picking it up from post #758



T69, 22/26, 135/150
T70, 25/26, 139/150
T71, 2/28, 143/150 - swap to 4/0/2 clams, 1/2/0 plains and 2 0/2/0 hills, with 2/1/0 center. That is 7 hammers and -1 food

T72, 1/28, 0/X - Oracle completes. We take IW.

Sailing due in 8 currently so it will come in on T77. May be slightly affected by our whips but probably not too much, and I don't think it will matter.

So T72, we go to Settler.
T72 - 1/28, 0/100 - working 4/0/2, 2/1/0, 2/1/0 and 1/2/0, plus the center. 8 food-hammers to the settler
T73 - 1/28, 8/100
T74 - 1/28, 16/100
T75 - 1/28, 24/100
T76 - 1/28, 32/100
T77 - 1/28, 40/100 - sailing in, swap to galley, 0/50. Work same tiles, +3fpt, +5hpt
T78 - 4/28, 5/50 - double whip galley, so 65/50 in the box and working 4/0/2 and 1/2/0, for +3fpt, +3hpt
T79 - Size 2, 7/24, 58/100 - 6 food hammers towards settler
T80 - 7/24, 64/100
T81 - 7/24, 70/100 - whip settler, so 7/22 and 100/100
T82 - Settler built. If the galley is in Athens, the settler can load on the galley, and then move off onto the island all on T82.
T83 - earliest we could found a city.

So it's currently T69, so that gives us 14 turns that we have to hold out against any potential axes / swords / more chariots.

Not to mention if we send any archers on the ark, that only leaves us 3 archers in Athens, which could get dicey against 3 chariots and a warrior. We defend at 3 * (1+ 25% fortify + 25% archer in city + 40% culture) so 5.7. So we'll have odds on all the battles but still....

Still, this is as good a plan as I've got - anyone find any holes or improvements? We could try to get Spiros to the east of athens and pick up the ark there but I don't think it's worth the risk.

[regoarrarr]

Chasing up Jowy

Hey Jowy,

Didn't get a message back from you about our offer that we made for a few turns of copper. While some on our team have suggested that your silence means that you just wish that we would stop talking to you and hurry up and die, I prefer to think of it that you are still mulling things over.

So I thought that I would drop you a note to see how things are going. Hoping to get "good" Jowy :-)

I don't know what kind of arrangement the Ottomans and you have cooked up. One suggestion was that they are going to choke us till our NAP runs out on T100, at which point they'll let you have Athens (well, ANOTHER Athens :-D) and assorted lands. That's a decent deal I suppose, although it does take awhile to develop. Have you noticed the Indians are settling your way in the meantime?

That's an awful big risk to take, since it's predicated on us dying, and I wouldn't count out General Sunrise just yet....

I think our offer of the lands between us and/or a worker or two is pretty solid for a few turns of copper. But then again, I am biased, of course.

In any case, I hope to hear from you soon

[antisocialmunky]

Can you float your workers to that little peninsula to chop the forest? They'll be able to see it. Heck, they'll probably see the galley anyway. That's 2 turns right, 1 with both chopping, and 1 with only 1 chopping. So instead of whip, 30 hammers from chop.

[Ilios]

Can you float your workers to that little peninsula to chop the forest? They'll be able to see it. Heck, they'll probably see the galley anyway. That's 2 turns right, 1 with both chopping, and 1 with only 1 chopping. So instead of whip, 30 hammers from chop.

Good idea... It's not like the workers are doing anything useful holed up in Athens.

[regoarrarr]

Can you float your workers to that little peninsula to chop the forest? They'll be able to see it. Heck, they'll probably see the galley anyway. That's 2 turns right, 1 with both chopping, and 1 with only 1 chopping. So instead of whip, 30 hammers from chop.

Definitely a possibility and might be useful for an additional archer, should we need one. It's only 20 hammers though since we don't have Math.

[darrelljs]

I tried to see if building the Galley and whipping the Settler would work out better, but because Sailing is so far off it is considerably worse. If we did want to squeeze in another Archer then it would become a possibility.

What if we send Spiros up Jowy's way then pick him up in the Galley. I don't know that the Turks would see him that way. The Galley does have some idle turns to spare while waiting on the Settler.

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

Well, the galley is built EOT78, so it can move on T79. T82, it needs to be back in Athens to load the settler.

I don't see how it can do much other than make one trip taking 2 units (Workers / archers) to Paradise.

Even if we don't care about them seeing it, I don't see any way that Spiros can make it back in those 3 turns.

Really, we need to wait till (if?!) we get the Oracle to firm up these plans. If there's iron on the coast to the west or east, even if it's on our side of the channel, we could conceivably galley the settler around the Ottoman units and plant on it.

[antisocialmunky]

You mean worker/worker + archer/settler right? If there's a chariot or a 2 mover up there, you should see it before it getst to the forest they are chopping.