Regarding Nakor's diplomacy - I agree that he's doing a good job. Nevertheless, the same issue with regards to future fallout applies here. He's not breaking any deals, he's just being deceitful / lying - which I think we all agree is fine. But in future games, I'd be less inclined to take his words at face value, as opposed to other players who have taken a more blunt approach. So for example it could be harder for him in future games to find trusting allies.
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Yeah I think he's milking it just a little bit too much, and the comment to consider an NAP at turn 105 will surely set the alarm bells ringing for Spullla.
Think their diplomacy has been really clever so far - giving Kathlete and thier alliance oranising a run for their money! Think a NAPstab might be a step too far...
Never can work out why some bad faith play slides right under the radar and others haunt people for a long time. Guess it might be something to do with how memorable and/or dastardly it was? Also whether the nasty was done from a position of strength or one of weakness?
January 15th, 2010, 06:55
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 BobRoberts Wrote:Think their diplomacy has been really clever so far - giving Kathlete and thier alliance oranising a run for their money! Think a NAPstab might be a step too far... Maybe I have been sold the Spulla talk but, I think that it wouldn't have been a bad move to join up with Spulla however, the offer has come too late. One downside of the way that Sulla has played the diplo (Not forming close relationships early) has meant that now he has no friends. Had he approached DMOC/Nakor earlier suggesting on carving up Dantski at some point in the future they may have a friend for the immanent bloodbath! It's going to be messy! The killer blow to Spulla could be the arrival of the praets. They are going to have to work hard to defend against everyone (assuming they know what they are doing and talk to one another) but they will be almost gasses by the time Whosit arrives. Having said that - If I were Whosit I wouldn't have even entertained the idea of shipping my army all the way for absolutely no reward what-so-ever. I'd have said - concentrating on Korea and rebuilding, cannot afford it. Then got on the be in a sound position economically for when the others have wasted all those hammers bashing each others heads! Seriously, Dsplaisted should be laughing when he sees all the war declarations! Settler, worker, settler worker etc... Build up the core to finance it and let em have it in the renaissance. That's what I think anyway... 
Square leg - I agree with you! Think Nakor/DMOC gain very little from the Spulla killing and will make Dantski stronger. Although there's the possiblity of some friendly relations with people... still, they're left out of 'the bloc'. However, like you say it's too late to back out now. And they might end up with a 'Praetorian suprise' if they did.
 I hadn't really thought about that with the Inca either, but you're quite right. Made me smile too. novice Wrote:Regarding Nakor's diplomacy - I agree that he's doing a good job. Nevertheless, the same issue with regards to future fallout applies here. He's not breaking any deals, he's just being deceitful / lying - which I think we all agree is fine. But in future games, I'd be less inclined to take his words at face value, as opposed to other players who have taken a more blunt approach. So for example it could be harder for him in future games to find trusting allies. Don't be overly sensitive. There's a difference between being good and being 'cheap.' This is going to be good if Nakor can milk some information like troops strengths or something. That's how its done. 
sunrise089 Wrote:Better than ours I think Yeah that was my thought too - our exploration was awful. I really had no concept of the map at all.
I think DMOC/Nakor (NaMOC?) are certainly being more subtle than Jowy, but their diplomacy could still backfire now that Sullla (predictably) asked for more concrete support, and a long NAP. Initially Sullla didn't appear to suspect that NaMOC were up to anything sinister, but if the NAP is rejected then they probably will suspect something is up.
In fact, the only member of the CoW who has escaped suspicion so far seems to be Whosit - perhaps because his participation is somewhat irrational.
So some thoughts I had this morning that I wanted to post in Spullla's thread but couldn't figure out a non-spoilery way to do it.
I see that Sullla at least has a pretty decent idea that some folks are coming for him. In a recent post he noted how Jowy and Kathlete are probably "in bed" due to their being on the same PB3 team. Then he talks about allying with Nakor and also notes that he too is on the same PB3 team. I wonder if he has considered the potential difficulties of that PB3 team, should they split in their alliances in PB2? Seems like that could potentially (though not neccesarily) make things a bit frosty... I think the same types of things might come up if/when the "bloc" forms, with Nakor on the outside. Which is why I think that it's likely that the HRE will eventually get put in the "diagonals" bloc. |
