ISDG 2012 flame war

[Krill]

[The Black Sword]

Ellimist has played loads of games here and Brian has played quite a few, no idea about MJW. Regardless, that should have no effect on them expressing their opinions. We actually seem to have a number of lurkers who don't play games but like to follow those reported here and I think the community would be lessened if they weren't around.

I don't know what happened in ISDG setup so I can't comment on the validity of their statements. Though I don't see anything wrong with the organisers, you and Sommer, participating in the ISDG, this is not a professional sport and everyone deserves to have some fun.

[Dantski]

I don't know what happened in ISDG setup so I can't comment on the validity of their statements. Though I don't see anything wrong with the organisers, you and Sommer, participating in the ISDG, this is not a professional sport and everyone deserves to have some fun.

Yeah its very common that the people who organise these types of games have an interest in playing in them. Yes it leads to difficult situations but this isn't a professional sport with anything vaguely meaningful on the line.

[MJW (ya that one)]

2metra, I don't think civ skill matters at all for this particular issue because Sommer was openly pushing for the best rules for CFC. He even admitted to in the forums on the grounds that RB would do the same. It does for some other issues in this thread but here it's just an irreverent attack.

Brain, I think Sommer openly pushing rules already crosses the line and it doesn't matter if he trolls a bit on the side. It makes real discussion about how to run a game impossible as I said in my post. IIRC there was a mod but he was completely useless because of inactivity (just like Mongoose in Civ3 ISDG#1) so Sommer and 2metra were the defacto mods. With Sommer being openly biased I would have dropped as soon as it became apparent that the mod wouldn't do anything.

I think spending two years on a game is enough to give it a lot of importance even if it's just a game...

[Ellimist]

I think Brian Shanagan's analogy is bad and he should feel bad. He should feel bad at first time for even wasting his time in a forum for a game he is not good or even remotely interested in or knowing what he is speaking of. If we are going to make analogy with football and FIFA WC, it must have been Franz Beckenbauer and Miroslav Klose (you know, a legendary player from the past, spirit of the team, etc and the current top player of the winning team Third goalkeeper who never saw a minute of game for a team who lost the tournament is more suitable for portraying Shenagan himself I think )

Seriously, guys, if I was a respected member of the RB Civ4 community, who really does care of how people perceive the whole community, which is actually full of talented and worthy civvers and personalities as a whole, I would had found a way to advise guys such like Brian and Ellimist who barely even played the game somewhere somehow, to keep quiet and not repeat one and the same non-senses when people discuss concepts about the game or a particular game which people played and contributed to. Same goes for MJW. He never even logged in to the game, nor he played a game of civ in the last 10 years? What is wrong with you guys? Why dont you get a hobby which you actually like and are not feeling like worthless crap at? Seriously, this is disgusting and worrisome.

What are you even trying to say?

Games like this last for months/years and involve thousands of hours of effort. The posts Fintourist quoted, and others that I have seen, show that CFC's priorities were completely misplaced when the game was being set up. It would have been entirely reasonable for us to decline to participate.

[Qgqqqqq]

I love that you contrast calling people "worthless crap [at civ]" with such a cheery looking smiley.

(Especially at Ellimist, one of the best FFH players on the the fora IMO.)

Besides which, I lurked on this forum for nearly 2 years before participating. Plenty of others here have never played MP civ as well. I pretty much plan to retire from BTS civ after PB18, too. But despite that I intend to keep lurking games, and I don't see anything "disgusting" or "worrisome" about that. I do this because I enjoy it, the reports and discussion are interesting, and I feel a part of this community [and all that sentimental BS]. If you've got a problem with that, you can - to put it mildly - fuck off.

I'm glad you weren't a respected member of this forum at this time, so you couldn't shut people up.

And as to judging people by who logged in or not, do remember that this was a game in which 90% of the players didn't, simply observing, commenting or advising. Now, maybe that was a bad setup for RB to be in - which I've heard from some people - but regardless, most of them still feel an attachment to, or stake in, the game, and they have absolute prerogative to post what they thought about it.

I don't know why you felt the need to single Shanahan out, either.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

This thread just. will. Not. DIE.



But don't let me stop you from having a good time.

[pindicator]

It's like that scab that you know you shouldn't pick at but you do anyway until it starts bleeding all over again.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

It's like that scab that you know you shouldn't pick at but you do anyway until it starts bleeding all over again.

n'est-ce pas?

[scooter]