RBP2 Lurker Discussion Thread - No Players!

[regoarrarr]

Umm, any possible idea of how to get them to intervene on our side in this war? Anyone?

Hmm that could be difficult, since they're about to (in 5t or so) intervene on the OTHER side

[regoarrarr]

Is the main thing why everyone wants 2nd half due to the no slaving when it's not your turn?

Now that everyone has screwed us by not letting us slave during OUR war , what if we propose that we move to the PB3 style, attacker can choose, but either side can slave at any point?

Didn't want to post this in the email thread because I don't want to unduly influence things, but I could if folks think it's a decent idea

[dazedroyalty]

I support slaving at any time. It's Pitboss, not PBEM.

[novice]

I think it is a decent idea but I'm not really sure that lurkers involving themselves in rule disputes helps things moving along.

I'm sick of all these disputes and I'm not even a player...

[novice]

If I were NaMOC I'd be tempted to switch sides. Problem is the Praetorians might switch targets though...

Dear Nakor and DMOC of Holy Rome,

Your last message came as a disappointment to our team. Yes, I'm sure news of the war with Jowy came as a surprise, but we would hope that that wouldn't change your mind. When you expressed your concerns over being attacked by Dantski, we told you that we would come to your aid unreservedly if attacked. Your team only seems to want to reciprocate the favor if it's convenient to do so. Come on, your two can do better than that!

We'll be honest with you: our scouting unit uncovered an attack force containing units not just from Jowy, but from athlete and kalin as well. We have an old Non-Aggression Pact with their team, and when it runs out in two turns, they are going to declare war on us too. We expect that Dantski is in on this plan, and will be at war with us before the end of the current turn, if he isn't already by the time that you get this message....

So with all that in mind, here's why you should join OUR side of the battle instead of sitting around doing nothing!

1) Dantski is going to move most of his units into our territory, if he hasn't already done so. That will leave his backline cities, especially Gao, open to an attack. You do want to claim that iron and clear out some space for Crydee, right? This is your chance to do it!

2) We're pretty confident that we can fight off Jowy and athlete with the units we have right now. The main thing we need is a little relief from Dantski; in return for your support, we'd be willing to reward your team very handsomely in the postwar era. Partition of Dantski's land, gold per turn (once one of us discovers Currency), resources - it's all on the table to discuss. We can guarantee you won't find a better ally than our team!

(Are you really going to put your faith in Whosit? Yeah, OF COURSE he's going to be all smiles and friendliness now, after he's got enough land to become the game superpower. What do you think is going to happen after he runs out of room again down the road?!)

3) Let's assume you sit back and do nothing. In a worst-case scenario, the three teams attack and destroy my team. Then let's see what you have: a much stronger Dantski and Jowy, joined together at the hip in a tight alliance, with a friendly athlete to boot. Where do you think their armies are going to go next, eh? Not north! That's where athlete is located. They'd both have no choice but to come south, and then your team is on the other end of the dogpile. I hope you don't think Whosit would ride to the rescue!

4) In contrast, let's say you provide us some assistance, just enough to keep Dantski honest. You're likely to take Gao at the very least, and once we drive back Jowy and athlete, we'll turn our forces south and help you destroy Dantski for good. (We'll put this in formal writing if you like, a pledge that we will kill Dantski with you before we go after Jowy.) Now the two of us have partitioned Dantski's territory, and Speaker and I still have two hostile teams to the north. *ALL* of our future expansion would be towards them. We are seriously pissed over here, and we want some payback at their expense. You'd have a rock-solid ally at your back, double your current territory, and the possibility to work east around the map's edge to expand further.

I'd say that's a lot better than sitting on the fence and doing nothing while Dantski becomes stronger!

I know that Jowy, athlete, and kalin are Nakor's teammates in RBPB3, but keep in mind that that's a totally different game. There's no reason to let that affect the diplomacy in this game. The fact of the matter is, we can offer you a better deal than these other teams. We'd love to have you as our ally for the rest of this game!

Sullla
The Killer Angels

[Sir Bruce]

Does anyone think DMOC/Nakor will bite on Spullla's offer and backstab the CoW? It could be a pretty good move on their part as long as they think India will still get taken down a notch or two. They may be too honorable for such devious dealings though.

[scooter]

I was just about to say the same thing. Sullla isn't just blowing smoke now, he really does have more to offer at this point. I think Sullla may need to sweeten the deal a bit more and tell him he (Nakor) can have all of Dantski's cities. I think if I'm Nakor and I could be guaranteed to have them all, I'd jump on that...

[novice]

(I'm bringing this up against better judgement, I'm almost as fed off with NAPstabbing discussions as I am with double move disputes, but: )

For NaMOC to switch sides now feels less dastardly than breaking a NAP. I guess maybe because NAPs are "standard" agreements whereas there isn't (yet) any "standard" dogpile/military alliance agreement.

BTW, @Krill, have you always had that signature? Just noticed it, found it pretty funny.

[scooter]

Would it be any less "dastardly" than the outright lies he's been sending to Sullla in the past (pretending to be on his side while really just fishing for info)? I mean I have nothing wrong with the way he's handled that - he's done a great job of it, but I think if he's willing to do that then he would certainly be willing to switch sides if that was what was best for him too.

[zakalwe]

Is the main thing why everyone wants 2nd half due to the no slaving when it's not your turn?

Now that everyone has screwed us by not letting us slave during OUR war , what if we propose that we move to the PB3 style, attacker can choose, but either side can slave at any point?

Didn't want to post this in the email thread because I don't want to unduly influence things, but I could if folks think it's a decent idea

I was thinking the same thing, that without the slaving restrictions, players might be more willing to play either half of the turn. That seems to be the real issue, anyway - who gets to play second. Jowy says he is unhappy about the rules now, but he sure didn't complain when he thought he could claim the second half of the turn.