[SPOILERS] Cheater Hater hates bad advice. BGN gives only bad advice.

[Cheater Hater]

Hooray, johns played very early this turn, so I got to burn the city--johns didn't even attempt a defense by leaving the Impi in the city
Of course, the question is "now what?" I considered offering flat peace again, mainly because johns is getting Construction at EOT (speaking of, good thing the war canceled active deals ), but I'm not under any threat at the moment. I'm also not seeing any imminent new defenses at Johnny Oro yet, so that's another possible target--I just don't feel like I have enough units in the area yet. I've taken a bunch of pictures in the folder, including all the relevant cities I can see, if you have any thoughts BGN. I also might get an actual report out soon, depending on my mood/how long it takes to get to my turn again.

[Cheater Hater]

Another early johns play--at least he's considerate during the war
Of course, the war now is probably going to end--johns offered peace, and after checking the situations (basically unchanged, other than johns moving the second Impi back into Johnny Oro), I re-offered the deal. Right now the plan is to build up for a bit, then soonish re-declare with a plan in place:
1. Move on Johnny Oro with a decent-sized force in place--the problem here is that I need to leave a decent garrison in Lubeck since he has a bunch of 2-movers in Johnny Oro he could counter-attack with (even ignoring the possibility of johns bypassing Lubeck to get to my core)
2. Perform the surgical strike out of the fog to burn Adios, Sabata--I did a couple sims with a bunch of Chariots vs Adios, Sabata's garrison--the results were interesting:
Try 1:
14 total, 6 lost on Impi, 0 otherwise lost
Try 2 (3 C1 Chariots):
14 total, 4 lost on Impi, 2 otherwise lost (to ~70% Axe battles)
Losing 6-8 Chariots, and building ~15-16 total seems fine, and a really good hammer trade (even considering I didn't get any retreats on either attempt)--not quite as good as BGN was thinking, but it's still a good trade (mainly since I thought the battles with the Axes would be worse odds). Of course, this assumes johns doesn't add any new units, or that the culture doesn't jump to +40% defense. As such, I need to get these Chariots built quickly, so I can declare close to when the peace treaty expires.

The rest of the pictures are here--I hope I'm not losing any lurkers by not posting as many reports with pictures in the thread

[Cheater Hater]

I keep putting off my PB23 reports--T121 and T122 pictures are in the usual place though, and I will give some "greatest hits" reporting:

• johns finally decided to make peace with me--he didn't last turn for some reason (maybe I just forgot to reoffer?). As such, the countdown is on to when I can chariot-rush Sabata--is it worth it to do the chariot rush if I end up a couple chariots short? I know I'm going to stay at war at least one more turn after the opening salvo (since I plan to take Johnny Oro just by overwhelming forces, since johns can't support it that well). Speaking of Johnny Oro, it jumped to the second ring, so I don't have visibility for a bit--I just whipped the granary there, so the monument should get at least the hill back in my borders I would hope--then again, that hasn't held true for johns at Sabata (he has actually lost ground in the battle for the fish tile!).
  
• I'm back in first place in GNP/Production, and I'm not even researching anything at the moment--I think the time is right for Civil Service, and I'll get it in 4 turns when I turn research on next turn (and I'm not even the first person there--Grimace revolted into Bureaucracy last turn ).
  
• All my Calendar resources in my borders will be connected next turn--when you combine that with Forges giving me an extra happy on my gold, that should give me a good basis to continue my growth without having to detour to Monarchy any time soon. I also should be winding down my whips in my core cities, especially Ulm (since it needs to grow really big soon--speaking of, which should I build first in that city, a Forge or Moai? )
  

Hopefully I should get a new full report out soon (though it's not like I'm going completely silent)--I just keep getting distracted by other things

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

You have stone. I'd build Moai first. If I saw you building a market there recently you should delay that and build moai before the market finishes. Rathauses make markets less useful than they usually are, and ORG less still.

[Cheater Hater]

You have stone. I'd build Moai first. If I saw you building a market there recently you should delay that and build moai before the market finishes. Rathauses make markets less useful than they usually are, and ORG less still.

Okay--I have it as a Forge this turn, but I'll switch it next time I log in. The Market was only before I could start the Forge/get Stone for the Moai.

[WilliamLP]

Hey, PB18's going to end eventually

Lies!!

But seriously, great thread, guys. I only skimmed much of it, but there's a lot of great discussion here, thanks.

[Cheater Hater]

Hey, PB18's going to end eventually

Lies!!

But seriously, great thread, guys. I only skimmed much of it, but there's a lot of great discussion here, thanks.

Thanks for the compliments--if there's anything else you want to see (other than more pictures in-thread; they're coming eventually--I decided to continue broadening my game-playing experiences and started playing LoL, and now I'm hopelessly hooked on it ), just let me know

[Krill]

The question about PB18 ending is about when, but if the RB survives the fallout.

[spacetyrantxenu]

The question about PB18 ending is about when, but if the RB survives the fallout.

The sooner you all submit to my hegemony the sooner we can move on. Just sayin'.

Edit: In case it isn't clear, your tanks will not be safe anywhere near my spears. Save yourself the embarrassment and surrender!

[Krill]

So all we have to do is gift you pikes and then you die?