[NO PLAYERS]Here's lurking at you, kid.

[spacetyrantxenu]

This kind of reminds me of post #93 above....




Is it worth trying to "win" by demanding the 80 gold reparation payment when peace is pretty desperately needed (if CH is attacking Adrien here)? I have to think offering a white peace may be accepted at this point, asking for a payment seems unnecessarily risky, the cost/benefit of the demand just isn't rational. (OK, maybe that's the problem, maybe it isn't a rational decision? I would know about that...)

Anyway, I think the better play would have been to offer white peace and hope they'd accept it so Adrien could focus on the possible invasion in his east. Then again, his statement that he may "let CH do his thing" kind of indicates he isn't particularly bothered if he gets carved up from the rear, so whatever.

[Krill]

This kind of reminds me of post #93 above....




Is it worth trying to "win" by demanding the 80 gold reparation payment when peace is pretty desperately needed (if CH is attacking Adrien here)? I have to think offering a white peace may be accepted at this point, asking for a payment seems unnecessarily risky, the cost/benefit of the demand just isn't rational. (OK, maybe that's the problem, maybe it isn't a rational decision? I would know about that...)

Anyway, I think the better play would have been to offer white peace and hope they'd accept it so Adrien could focus on the possible invasion in his east. Then again, his statement that he may "let CH do his thing" kind of indicates he isn't particularly bothered if he gets carved up from the rear, so whatever.

Elum pretty much has this game in the bag. Crushed Whosit and only has that choke point to hold at and otherwise borders Dreylin, who is next in line for territorial donation. And none of this really matters, if Elum just throws knights or cuirs at Dreylin then Dreylin can't even fight with units that are even 1 era behind and dies. Elum just needs to end it now, no more building, just keep on building units.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Yeah, I didn't mean win the game, I was talking about walking away from the Viking-Roman conflict as the "winner" with 80 gold in pocket while being probably attacked from the rear and possibly being unable to do much about it. The other side conflicts are for fun now.

[Krill]

Oh I know. This game is a fairly straight forward example of focusing on immediate growth, or not to their own detriment.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I might be kind of annoyed later on if I'm Adrien and find out how TBS saved agent at the last minute from giving away that second city. TBS is obviously being helpful as a veteran teammate, giving advice to make a much sounder tactical decision (defending the city versus letting it die), but maybe the hands on nature of that advice will be seen as too much by the Adrien team in the end. I'm not saying it's the case, I'm undecided about how much advice or hands on direction the advisers should be giving here, but it's probably going to be something the players will discuss in the post game.

[GermanJoey]

I don't see a problem with it. I mean, they're supposed to be teammates, right? Agent plays the turns and ask for advice, TBS gives advice as best he can. If other veteran teammates haven't been doing as much as TBS its because they're either too busy (e.g. OH, BGN), too annoyed with their teammate (e.g. OH, BGN), or awol (Mack, Gavagai). Wetbandit and Dreylin/Ruff have also been pretty active in their games.

[Grimace]

Is it worth trying to "win" by demanding the 80 gold reparation payment when peace is pretty desperately needed (if CH is attacking Adrien here)? I have to think offering a white peace may be accepted at this point, asking for a payment seems unnecessarily risky, the cost/benefit of the demand just isn't rational. (OK, maybe that's the problem, maybe it isn't a rational decision? I would know about that...)

Anyway, I think the better play would have been to offer white peace and hope they'd accept it so Adrien could focus on the possible invasion in his east. Then again, his statement that he may "let CH do his thing" kind of indicates he isn't particularly bothered if he gets carved up from the rear, so whatever.

Depends on whether you're trying to "win". When I made my demand, I already knew I had lost. Even if I had gotten peace with Whosit and somehow got Elum to stop (probably when he got tired of taking cities), I was going to be a nonentity -- the leftover apple pie that sits in the fridge that you go take a couple of fork-fulls out of every night when you have the munchies. So my demand was more of a than a . I just wanted to stunt Whosit's growth as much as I possibly could for as long as I could, since he was the first aggressor towards me, so I wasn't going to take peace in a way that left him with all of the advantage. Sometimes that's the right thing to do -- had Elum not attacked and it was clear that I couldn't win the arms race, I probably would have taken peace for peace. But at that point, I had nothing to lose, and in fact having him capture MORE of my territory would have worked out better overall because it meant Elum wouldn't have gotten it all, which he ended up doing anyway.

I will continue to try to win so long as there as a chance of it happening. When there's not, you just die as hard as you can.

[Gawdzak]

Well, it looks like that big report isn't going to happen, but I'm going to throw something together at least. All the pictures are in the folders in the last post, but here's the most important one:


Yeah, that was almost certainly taking out Magdeburg on the following turn. As such, I reinforced it a bunch:


That should hold--I've been assuming it would be very poor form to "double-move" and upgrade all the Axes, so right now the plan is to declare next turn with all the main units (Rifles/Knights/Cats), while leaving the rest of the units in Magdeburg and upgrading all (or most) of the Axes. We'll see what johns does with all those units, as well as how fast I can flip those tiles (the three on the diagonal next to Magdeburg are flipping this turn, and the others should follow). If anyone else has any questions, let me know.

Um this might not end well for CH. Didn't you guys were just telling him how powerful siege can be?

[GermanJoey]

Yeah.... I even linked him to Catwalk's infamous stack wipe of PB17 to show him how devastating seige can be, and then even went further to say that even though that case was muskets vs horchers, he should expect rifles vs knights to be pretty similar.

[Commodore]

Did the dogpile just *help* CH?