RBP2 Lurker Discussion Thread - No Players!

[Erick the Red]

I don't think the problem is that the messages are insincere and crafted, it's that most of the time he genuinely isn't trying to be helpful. The few times he's sent a message where there really was common ground and he was trying to be helpful the messages are fine.

If Spulla had wanted an early ally I think they could have gotten one. Up until things fell apart I think he did accomplish most of his goals - they got more information out of communication than they gave, and they had the freedom to rapidly expand without antagonizing any neighbors.

If there had been a different metagame after their expansion they might not have had so much problems. At that point their diplomatic goals were much harder. Trying to convince other teams that the best way for them to deal with India's GNP lead was to try expand themselves while signing a short term NAP, or trying to convince someone to leave a big safe alliance arraying against them were both pretty hard sells. He would have needed to be incredibly charismatic to pull off another 30-50 turns of peace - I don't think the style of the messages is at fault there.

[T-hawk]

I don't think the problem is that the messages are insincere and crafted, it's that most of the time he genuinely isn't trying to be helpful.

That's exactly it. Sullla thinks he's fooling people by seeming helpful while carefully actually saying little, but mostly his rivals can see through that. And sometimes the recipients also notice Sullla intentionally delaying a message, which doesn't make him look good either. Adlain, nice observation but I doubt anybody is going to think that diplomacy should be subject to a turn split.

[novice]

I don't think the problem is that the messages are insincere and crafted, it's that most of the time he genuinely isn't trying to be helpful.

Yes, spot on, Erick!

[novice]

So, soon it might be Europe against the rest of the world:

And sent a note off to only the TMT:

Greetings Allies,

Regarding our current alliance structure I'd like to propose the addition of the HRE.

[antisocialmunky]

That is a good way to put it.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Why do you want to discuss slaze and his qualities with an opponent of him?

Edit for clarification: If a player brings the subject 'Slaze' up by himself discuss what you want but don't push the player toward it

Looking at the spoiler rules, your stance looks good. =)

[MJW (ya that one)]

That's the first I've ever heard of a Freudian mouse-slip.

Do you think it chould be true? It was not a mouse slip. He entered and then declared war. This caused his units to magically teleport out...So it was not a mouse slip.

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Spulla thinks Damski has allied with them but Damski has not. We will see how this plays out... Spulla's diplo has been pretty .

[Shoot the Moon]

Spulla thinks Damski has allied with them but Damski has not. We will see how this plays out... Spulla's diplo has been pretty .

I tend to think the is on Dantski here. He really should be allying with Spulla right now, as its really the only way for him to be safe from the rest of CoW. Not really sure what Dantski is thinking, trying to stay neutral (as if that is going to work after betraying 4 others).

[antisocialmunky]

If Jowy has stone, why is he building the Great Wall instead of wall spamming?

I know Speaker made GGs look sweet but his first one would only pop when Athens is getting bombarded by catapults.

[Shoot the Moon]

If Jowy has stone, why is he building the Great Wall instead of wall spamming?

I know Speaker made GGs look sweet but his first one would only pop when Athens is getting bombarded by catapults.

You know, because Great Spy points are going to be so helpful to him