I plan to code a civ2 clone: shameless self-promotion

[TheHumanHydra]

The foreign relations advisor was my original waifu

I feel like that's kind of a 'spirit of RB' QotM.

[Old Harry]

[TheHumanHydra]

Will someone please mod that into Civ IV, now?

[ReallyEvilMuffin]

Maybe he should replace the ?

[Brian Shanahan]

There is some satisfaction in simplicity. There is a lot of surprising complexity in Civ2 though that I hadn't realized until I was reading up on expert play strategies a year ago. Though given that they revolved around Caravan Spam and Rapture Growth, this might not be a problem for you.

However, I think this then begins to run into one of the big problems that all Civ2 clone projects have: Nobody dares to actually reproduce Civ2 accurately, because there's always something in it that they didn't like and wanted to change.

A lot of people don't realise that you don't need complicated to get complex. Complicated speaks to the nature and extent of the rules, complex speaks to the outcome of those rules.

To illustrate my point, google Langton's ant a simulaited world with a walking ant, a grid of tiles with two possible colours and two rules, if the ant steps on a white tile he goes left an tile changes to black, and vice versa if he steps on a black tile. Yet the pattern created ny this set up is intricate, takes a long time to resolve and is near impossible to predict without running the programme, i.e. a complex system.

[NobleHelium]

Or just build railroads across the map and alpha-strike everyone into oblivion. Cultural borders were the best thing to ever happen to the franchise.

The very simple concept of borders is indeed vitally important. And it was added in SMAC! Although enforcing borders there was a pain in the ass.

[HansLemurson]

There is some satisfaction in simplicity. There is a lot of surprising complexity in Civ2 though that I hadn't realized until I was reading up on expert play strategies a year ago. Though given that they revolved around Caravan Spam and Rapture Growth, this might not be a problem for you.

However, I think this then begins to run into one of the big problems that all Civ2 clone projects have: Nobody dares to actually reproduce Civ2 accurately, because there's always something in it that they didn't like and wanted to change.

A lot of people don't realise that you don't need complicated to get complex. Complicated speaks to the nature and extent of the rules, complex speaks to the outcome of those rules.

To illustrate my point, google Langton's ant a simulaited world with a walking ant, a grid of tiles with two possible colours and two rules, if the ant steps on a white tile he goes left an tile changes to black, and vice versa if he steps on a black tile. Yet the pattern created ny this set up is intricate, takes a long time to resolve and is near impossible to predict without running the programme, i.e. a complex system.

I think that I've usually heard the distinction being made between "Depth" and "Complexity", where Complexity just means the mechanics are hard to figure out, but Depth means that even when the mechanics are known the results are still not predictable. So basically what you said.

Or just build railroads across the map and alpha-strike everyone into oblivion. Cultural borders were the best thing to ever happen to the franchise.

The very simple concept of borders is indeed vitally important. And it was added in SMAC! Although enforcing borders there was a pain in the ass.

FreeCiv implemented borders, and I think that a Civ2 remake should at a minimum treat the land within your city radius as
your exclusive territory (overlaps taken by the older city).

[Blake00]

since nothing is happening yet, there is a thread on civfanatics.
I expect it will be locked because of blasphemy sometime in the future.

any interest around here in civ2?

P.S. mod(s) can move this thread (topic) if this subforum is deemed inappropriate.

@Hail I know this didn't really get off the ground, especially in your old thread at CFC but there's another thread there that's had some interesting developments over the last year or so. This is a project being worked on right now on github. Details here:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/m...t-15983617

Screenshots from their project: