The First Civ6 Lurker Thread

[kjn]

What will be interesting to see is how the other players will handle taking a city, eg if Yuris takes Frankfurt or teh takes Aquileia, if they will raze it or try to keep them. For as Sullla notes in his thread after seeing the result in Constantinople, given the way city capture mechanics works, razing and resettling will likely be the default action in MP games.

[Rowain]

EDIT: yuris invaded teh - I can't say I'm too happy with the situation, but I think it makes sense as well - this is the best way for yuris to get ahead, also noting that the city is really lightly defended. I'm sure he will get a lot of flak from lurkers, who all want there to be an epic clash between teh/yuris and Sullla, but we should remember that yuris doesn't have the perspective we have.

yuris should know that Sullla has already taken archdukes capital and has far more power then anybody else.
He should also know that teh can't take Sullla's walled city with Archers but might easily retreat and resettle Frankfurt (in caser it get razed).

His attack against teh right now is the wrong decision if he wanted any chance to win. He should have gone after Stockholm and then maybe kill off Archduke once Sulla/teh are really fighting.


PS You can't raze capitals Sulla is stuck with Constantinople anyway.

[Singaboy]

Rowain, you are absolutely right. My guess is that Yuris has little knowledge what is going on for the bigger picture. A simple check on all the charts and he should know that Sulla is running away with the game.
He must know that Stockholm is under the control of Sulla. He can see that Sulla has taken a capital (domination info). And he should know better that his 'force' of 2 +2 units will be wiped out by teh sooner or later.
If you take a city and don't raze it, the defenses are paper thin. Even a mere warrior can take such a city. If he razes Frankfurt, his units will all but die unless he quickly runs away.

All in all, the only person to gain from this situation now is Sulla.

[Jabah]

from teh last picture, he should be able to get an archer inside his city and move 2 others in range for shooting.
I don't own and know civ 6 well enough, but shouldn't that be enough (with the healing) to prevent the capture ?
As I don't play the game, feel free to dismiss if I am missing an obvious fact

[Ituralde]

Attacking Arpinum and Stockholm could have been additions for Yuris.

But there's no way he can keep Frankfurt. I don't know how strong his Jags are currently, an Archer in Frankfurt might probably not do too much, but it's close.

Also the river and the hills severly limit tehs movement. Mabye the best action would be not to enter Frankfurt this turn, but instead take shots at the Jags with two of his Archers and position another two so that he can shoot at Yuris next turn.

In the end this will not get Yuris anything and only help to give Sullla enough time ro recover, before teh could do some serious pillaging around Aquilea.
I like the look of The Archdukes defensive force though!

[MJW (ya that one)]

Yuri doesn't have an excuse because of access to Stockholm (which leads to more cities) and the civ6 demos screen.

[Singaboy]

He seems merely driven by his wish to hurt teh since he 'took' his perceived part of the world.
playing such a game based on your feelings would fine if its SP.
in this game its just utterly foolish

[oledavy]

Not going to lie, I'm pretty disappointed in Yuris right now. I have been getting pretty invested in the potential for this to be an entertaining game, now.....



I would be really upset if I was teh right now. 

I just don't understand how Yuris saw this as his best option out of the ones available, even acknowledging my omniscience and his limited knowledge. Doing nothing, and taking the opportunity to build up your infrastructure would have been a better option than this, as far as putting himself in a stronger position to win. This is extremely high risk with a low chance out a payout, the bet is effectively: I can amass more cities from teh than Sullla can from theArchuduke. 

But an opportunistic strike with 4-5 units won't cut it. Yuris will probably take the city, then I expect teh will take it right back. This is just going to end with both of their militaries depleted and Sullla that much scarier. 

..... 



Goddamnit Yuris.

[Bacchus]

Well, Sulla thinks Yuri's behaviour makes perfect sense!

[Alhambram]

hello, i am a longtime lurker here for years, however i decided to register at forum so i might throw gauntlet in for next PBEM game. And i did lurk this PBEM game from start and i decided to share my thoughts about Yuris move against Teh here.
I can understand frustration of some lurkers a bit, they are hoping for a long interesting game where outcome is unknown for long time. But it is players who decide how game is played.

Well, from perspective of Yuris Frankfurt is most logical target since it still would be a wedge between his core and Arpinum/Stockholm if he went for those two cities.
Also Teh did go all in with his attack at Sulla and bluffed against Yuris, thinking that Yuris would be targeting other cities. But by leaving Frankfurt empty and no walls, Yuris instead called Teh's bluff.
So bad luck for Teh here and Sulla surely is happy with move that Yuris made.

Also i noticed in Yuris thread that he didn't scout center region after turn 50???
This resulted in a sort of negative snowball roll that forced Yuris to make move at Teh:

Firstly when Yuris finally started to scout center region, both Archduke and Teh already planted a city in center region and Sulla just planted his second city in center region. And region around Frankfurt should be controlled by Yuris normally, instead Teh managed to plant his second center region city there. By scouting properly Yuris should have noticed hilly copper region and claim it, you really don't want an German civ plant Hansas there.  I like to add note with this development: Teh was forced to expand in direction of Yuris, due Sulla's aggressive city plant next a oasis. In long term with planting the oasis city Sulla wasn't only able to claim big part of center region, it also pitted Yuris against Teh. Did you plan that ahead, Sulla?

Secondly Yuris didn't get in contact with third city state for long time, which prevented him getting a eureka for Political Philosophy, a very important early civic. And when he finally met third city state, he already captured Lisabon and this did prevent triggering eureka (I didn't know that you needed to meet three city states alive at same time to trigger eureka, i make note of it in future games). As result capturing Lisabon which was good move at short term, in long term it delayed him getting Political Philosophy (attacking Teh now is other case of short term profit and long term loss at first look).

Thirdly by not scouting, Yuris couldn't decide which target to attack with eagle warriors. In this game with Barbarians off, this mean no eureka for bronze working (delaying iron working in long term) and archery, his eagle warriors were rightly to be feared by everyone until around turn 50. With barbarians on, players are more likely to get archery around turn 30-40. When Yuris finally started to scout, it was turn 50 when Sulla and Teh indeed started to upgrade their slingers into archers. And instead trying to ambush a city with three eagle warriors at turn 50, Yuris had to scatter them to scout since he lacks map information.

And now at turn 80 Yuris is forced to attack Teh from his perspective. Frankfurt sort of became a red lap for Yuris to charge in due its placing.