The First Civ6 Lurker Thread

[shinghand]

WRT people saying Sullla wins this in the next 10-20 turns:

It may not be 10-20 turns. After Sullla consolidates Archduke's territory he will not go on the warpath to kill off teh and yuris. That would definitely be the riskier and frankly unnecessary play. Sullla will instead start recovering his economy and begin teching up to technologically superior units, like knights/muskets/bombards and then take the fight to teh/yuris. This has been his playstyle for Civ 4 and I think he will stick to it in Civ 6 as well. So in 10 turns after Sullla has mopped up the remains of Archduke, he's going to drop districts everywhere, while preserving his promoted legions to use as a strong defence against teh and yuris.

The game will end if/when yuris realizes that Sullla is running away with the game (teh has already realized it). It's just uncertain whether it will be in 10-20 turns, immediately after Sullla absorbs Archduke's territory (and maybe we see some war), or whether it will be in 30-50 turns when Sullla's armies begin raining down on the both of them. If we're talking about when the winner became clear, that would be now, or the next 5 turns, as Sullla continues to stomp Archduke and teh and yuris throw units at each other.

EDIT: Yuris is teching up to Stirrups for knights, but does he have sufficient iron within his borders to build them? I don't think he has an encampment yet, neither is he building one. His knights might be a long way coming. Even though he is researching it now I believe Sullla will reach there first.

[Nicolae Carpathia]

PS In fact I sort of hope this game concludes soon so that another game, that would be potentially more exciting, could commence.

Dude, it's an open forum. Cast down ye buckets where ye lie; get thee to the next subforum over a start another PBEM, there's no rule stating only one CiVI PBEM can happen at a time.

commodore what is your relation to the other commodore over at cfc

because the other dude is hilariously dumb

[Alhambram]

EDIT: Yuris is teching up to Stirrups for knights, but does he have sufficient iron within his borders to build them? I don't think he has an encampment yet, neither is he building one. His knights might be a long way coming. Even though he is researching it now I believe Sullla will reach there first.

Since their starting positions are mirrored, Yuris should have access to two iron sites, one tile east of Xochicalco and three tiles west of Texcoco. (need to purchase two tiles, likely some hundreds gold spending needed here)

However looking from his pictures, iron isn't there which means he hasn't researched bronze working yet. This also means that he can't build encampments now since bronze working is needed for it. Bronze working is worth 80 beakers which mean another four turns researching for Yuris.
To build knights two irons are needed, with encampment one. The other possible problem for Yuris here is that he already placed a lot districts. I wonder whether he still can build encampment or he hit the limit of districts per city based on population.

Sulla is indeed more likely to reach knights first, he already have feudalism set on one turn to finish in order to cut research time for stirrups in half.

Other thing maybe worth mentioning: i played this map several times and i suddenly thought about the next strategic resource: niter.  
Niter is required to build musketman which is stronger than knight in Civ 6 unlike Civ 4 and bombard. There is four niter in this map and all around center region. 
Currently Sulla have control over two of tiles which spawns niter and he soon take Arpinum from Archduke and that makes three. The fourth is in no man zone two tiles above Frankfurt's horse tile.
With other words Sulla is going have monopoly over niter soon and only person with ability to build musketmans and bombards, once that happens only thing what Yuris and teh awaits is a massacre.

[Singaboy]

Other thing maybe worth mentioning: i played this map several times and i suddenly thought about the next strategic resource: niter. 

This is seriously screwed. Someone who played this map extensively would know what others don't. This to me is game breaking (not that it matters in this game).

It reminds me of the Civ3 days, where the AI would settle most ridiculous spots half way across the map just to claim resources it couldn't even see yet. One more argument to play random maps (there must be a map editor though).

[Bacchus]

So, do we take it for granted that Yuri and Teh will not even try/will fail to help Archduke protect Arpinum? If they got a crossbow each between them on the ground there, the calculus would change considerably. Albeit, confronting Sulla doesn't appear to be even on Yuri's radar, and he may not know about the occupied city penalty.

[shinghand]

So, do we take it for granted that Yuri and Teh will not even try/will fail to help Archduke protect Arpinum? If they got a crossbow each between them on the ground there, the calculus would change considerably. Albeit, confronting Sulla doesn't appear to be even on Yuri's radar, and he may not know about the occupied city penalty.

I think so. Teh won't be able to do anything because his priority will be to take back his city. Even if he decides that's secondary (an unlikely possibility) he needs to slip units either through Sullla's or yuris' lands, which is going to be near impossible.

It's all up to yuris. I guess yuris might have recently realised that Sullla is becoming unstoppable; it's hard to tell from his short updates. Even then he's only got eagle warriors and archers which are going to get absolutely crushed.

[Commodore]

PS In fact I sort of hope this game concludes soon so that another game, that would be potentially more exciting, could commence.

Dude, it's an open forum. Cast down ye buckets where ye lie; get thee to the next subforum over a start another PBEM, there's no rule stating only one CiVI PBEM can happen at a time.

commodore what is your relation to the other commodore over at cfc

because the other dude is hilariously dumb

Sue him for identity theft, I used to play SMAC on 'poly, never did CFC.

So, do we take it for granted that Yuri and Teh will not even try/will fail to help Archduke protect Arpinum? 

Yes.

[Bacchus]

Looks like Yuris will be in for a surprise once legions take Stockholm and it's 8 population. I'm glad Sulla is going there, making his threat really obvious.

[Singaboy]

I guess we have a new contender for QOTM or maybe even the game.

4 turns away from Stirrups. Soon my Knights shall rule them all (from Yuri's thread)

[antisocialmunky]

What will the knights do? Is he going to slow build a bunch to counter the legion swarm?