[SPOILERS] How do you make this thing work: Krill randomly mashes some buttons

[Krill]

http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...039&page=3 (Spoilers for Archduke)

C = total number of completed districts (regardless of type)
P = placed districts of the specific type in question (e.g. Commercial Hub), this includes the sum of completed and uncompleted districts of the specific type
A = available districts to build, which is based on techs discovered. (e.g. Astrology + Writing + Bronze Working = 3 available districts)

For a specific district type, the discount is available only if both of the following are true:
1) C>=A
2) C/A > P

This is wrong. I have an Encampment, Campus and HS completed, and have the techs to unlock Commercial District, Campus and Encampment.. I have one campus placed but not completed.

C=3, A=3, P[Commercial]=0, so I should get the discount but I don't.

[Cornflakes]

You say you have a HS completed ... is that from the capture of Kandy (haven't been following for a couple days) or do you have Astrology researched? I'm wondering if C has an asterisk ... C*>=A

*only counts districts types your are able to build

EDIT: do you have a save you can send me?

[Krill]

  PBEM5 GORGO 69 1280 BC.zip (Size: 590.16 KB / Downloads: 1)

I am not sure if this save is password protected. If it is we're SOL as I don't know the password.

[Woden]

http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...039&page=3 (Spoilers for Archduke)

C = total number of completed districts (regardless of type)
P = placed districts of the specific type in question (e.g. Commercial Hub), this includes the sum of completed and uncompleted districts of the specific type
A = available districts to build, which is based on techs discovered. (e.g. Astrology + Writing + Bronze Working = 3 available districts)

For a specific district type, the discount is available only if both of the following are true:
1) C>=A
2) C/A > P

This is wrong. I have an Encampment, Campus and HS completed, and have the techs to unlock Commercial District, Campus and Encampment.. I have one campus placed but not completed.

C=3, A=3, P[Commercial]=0, so I should get the discount but I don't.

I have been playing around with this quite a bit over the last week and can see one of 2 things going on:
1. The Holy Site counts as an available district since you have 1 or it is not recognizing it since it is not available. You will get the discount if you build a 2nd of any type, or
2. You need to wait until a civic or tech completes for the game to update to the discount (I have seen it both ways. I had finished a 2nd Campus and wanted to place an Encampment at the discount but the discount did not apply until I finished the next civic. I then finished the Encampment and was able to place a second one right away for the discount). Not sure what is going here but there was mention that it might not update until the next tech/civic over at CivFanatics.

[Cornflakes]

Passwords in the save can be removed   I played through a few turns, completed a tech which did not update the tech. The best I can come up with is that the HS is either (1) counted as an "available" type since you have one built, or (2) does not count towards "completed" since you don't have the tech for it.

[RefSteel]

I suspect it's the Holy Site not counting as completed (rather than counting as Available) - but it's testable with the mapmaking tools Cornflakes uses: Set up a test game where you're surrounded by City States close by, and unlock (but don't build) just one district type (say an Encampment). Conquer two religious city states once they've finished their Holy Sites. If districts you own but haven't unlocked count as "Available," you'll have C=2, A=2, P[Encampment]=0, and you can place an Encampment with the discount. If districts you haven't unlocked don't count for discounting purposes, you'll have C=0 and won't get the discount until you unlock Holy Sites for real. [EDIT: They don't even both have to be Religious; I just had heard that they were usually the first to build their special districts....]

[Krill]

I think it's the HS not counting as well, but someone with more oomph can test it.

As it is, I've just placed the Commercial District this turn. I need the trade route for roads, and I think I can offer peace next turn after putting the Suzerain envoy into Hattusa. I'll have built a battering ram I didn't want but oh well, it's a test game. I don't want to have to keep on attacking Jester, if he'll leave Hattusa alone for 20 turns then that's enough for me.

Picture will come later, having trouble with internet atm.

[suboptimal]

http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...039&page=3 (Spoilers for Archduke)

C = total number of completed districts (regardless of type)
P = placed districts of the specific type in question (e.g. Commercial Hub), this includes the sum of completed and uncompleted districts of the specific type
A = available districts to build, which is based on techs discovered. (e.g. Astrology + Writing + Bronze Working = 3 available districts)

For a specific district type, the discount is available only if both of the following are true:
1) C>=A
2) C/A > P

This is wrong. I have an Encampment, Campus and HS completed, and have the techs to unlock Commercial District, Campus and Encampment.. I have one campus placed but not completed.

C=3, A=3, P[Commercial]=0, so I should get the discount but I don't.

Nothing weird here - (1) is true, (2) is false.  C/A = 1 as you have three districts completed and three types available, assuming nothing funny with the Holy Site.  If you are placing one district of a type you don't currently have then P = 1.  If C/A = P then (2) is false and you don't get the discount.

[Krill]

P=0 whenever you place a district of a type you don't have according to that formula, ie the first time you place a CD or IZ, P=0, not P=1 before you've placed it, at least according to the source

[Krill]

Jester started to attack Hattusa, dropped the city something like 27hp to 173 when I played T69. This turn it's healed back, so perhaps jester has stopped the siege and is redeploying units to defend Pan Mei. I've left a sword to cover Scombridae (yay Mackerel), but the concern is not Scombridae itself but a horseman running through and over the hill between the mountain and coast and attacking the settlers. I've thought about throwing caution to the wind, but I don't think that's an affordable option. The GG has helped with repositioning troops the injured archer and sword are over 50hp and have promotions in hand, but the battering ram would be slow. I could turn and hit either Yang Jun or Pan Mei, but frankly I'm tired of the war and I don't think it's worth it. I want to build another trader, finish that campus and CD and try to take Mids.

If Jester won't take peace though, I don't have much option except to pillage the PM encampment. Both Encampments cover the approach to the capital which is somewhere in that fog (just checked the save, Sun Zhou is 7774 of Pan Mei, 6669 of Yang Jun and 66 of the northern encampment), but the Pan Mei Encampment is exposed whereas the Sun Zhou Encampment requires fighting through a city and getting pounded whilst doing so. So basically, pillage the encampment, swing back around the lonely mountain to get on the right side of the river and then attack from the south to raze Pan Mei. I say raze because I think it would be difficult to hold without another 2 swords or horsemen. Plus probably a catapult. The only way I am getting those units is through chopping the forests at EF not into Mids but into units, but as EF lacks an encampment, I'd probably have to instead go for the hoplite and catapult, and use two hoplites to cover Scombridae. Which is a shitty idea. I'm more likely to go for Machinery and Xbows if Jester won't take peace (although frankly, with the districts fuck ups I'm not sure what techs make any sense anymore).

Whatever happens, it's back to the drawing board due to the districts formula misunderstanding.