August 17th, 2020, 09:27
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I canceled OB for Sugar with Pindicator. Demos allowed me to calculate how much GPT he is making from trade routes with me compared to his next best option. It was 31 GPT. I asked for half, make it equally beneficial for both of us.
I hope Pindicator understands, otherwise 15 GPT might seem like a lot to request.
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Pindicator sent back some cryptic deals. OB + 7 gold for OB + 7 gold, and OB + 2 GPT for OB. Maybe he wants to pay back later? Idk but I'll go with my deal or no deal.
Launched GA. Someone had 700+ GNP last turn, so it's not as impressive as it looks.
The one with more soldiers than me is Pindicator. He's been in war with Superdeath for a long time, but it looks like he's winning. It has certainly slowed him down though.
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Mjmd and Superdeath both canceled OB with me. Now I don't have it with anyone.
So I went back to Pindicator and sent him a more favorable offer, since now I have something to gain too.
I hope Superdeath in particular enjoys his conqueror getting an extra 30 GPT to fund his aggressive expansion
August 19th, 2020, 05:19
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Pindicator sent back the same offer without the GPT. Guess I'll accept, better to have some GPT and Sugar than to not have them. Just pains me to support the leader, but what can I do when he's the only one willing to accept OB
Results of that: We got 7 foreign trade routes, gaining 1 GPT extra from each. We went from 0 to -27 in imports/exports, so Pindicator is getting 48 GPT from trade routes with us, though note that's the full amount not his gain. Comparing to 150 demos, he had +54 and now has +66, so 12 + 7 = 19 extra GPT from this trade deal. Which is much less than I calculated before, so I'm not sure which, or if both, calculations are wrong ![lol lol](https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif) Or maybe he got OB with someone between these turns. Anyway with all that said, I'm doing a few turns of Wealth builds to get to Banking and convert to Mercantilism before my GA ends. We lose 7 GPT from foreign trade routes and 5 GPT to maintenance, but get a free specialist in every city. Very worth it. We can close borders in 10T or just keep them for the sugar. And maybe it's not a terrible thing to help Pindicator hit his other neighbors Mjmd and Cairo next, although I have mixed feelings since if he succeeds he's certain to win the game. Best case for us is that they fight but one side doesn't make significant progress.
Fell a few places in Soldiers, but it's not my neighbors who passed me. It's not very exciting, but getting this breather to build infra is so important for us. We're going for Printing Press after Banking. It should all put together amount to a huge spike in economy.
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Hmm I should be able to easily 1-turn Banking. Maybe the screen doesn't take overflow in consideration?
I pumped up research with tile micro just in case (from 641 to 704).
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(August 19th, 2020, 14:10)Jowy Wrote: Maybe the screen doesn't take overflow in consideration?
It doesn't. I'm pretty sure that number is just beaker cost / current (adjusted?) bpt.
August 20th, 2020, 10:40
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(August 20th, 2020, 09:18)scooter Wrote: (August 19th, 2020, 14:10)Jowy Wrote: Maybe the screen doesn't take overflow in consideration?
It doesn't. I'm pretty sure that number is just beaker cost / current (adjusted?) bpt.
Ty! We did indeed easily get Banking in 1T
Converted to Mercantilism. It looks like it cut off Pindicator's trade routes to me too. I didn't think that would happen. That's good, though he might get mad I played a trick on him.
AT has some catapults near the border. Don't think he's attacking me because Cairo could go for round two, but just to not make it too tempting for him, I showed the units I had waiting out of sight. Also sent a unit over to Western Church.
Okay so maybe the tech rate was impressive. Though Mjmd is missing from the graph.
Cairo lacks both CS and Machinery as shown by tech trade screen. That was surprising. Perhaps he's not as big of a threat as Pindicator and Mjmd.
Superdeath got clapped after Pindicator's mass unit whips. He's going to fall now. Hey Mjmd/Cairo wouldn't it be good to hit Pindicator soon before he's too strong?
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Charriu culture bombed me and I know he was researching Engineering (relevant part here being 3-move roads), so I had to check if he had a stack in range ready to attack my city.
In hindsight I suppose he would have bombed and went for it at the same time. Anyway I sent a 10T peace offer to Charriu. That is good to have in any case since I'm building banks.
Mjmd declared on Pindicator. Not sure if it's a real war, but if it is, I hope both will slow each other down and I have time to tech up and eat my neighbors.
Speaking of, I don't have much experience in late game combat. So I'm not sure what unit I should be aiming for. Cannons maybe?
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Charriu accepted the peace treaty.
Cannons actually aren't that far. Although I will go for Printing Press first.
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Some new screens:
We can see everyone's techs now, for the most part (for example Feudalism doesn't show in Can't Trade because we don't have its requirement techs).
We are lucky not to have needed Engineering and Feudalism yet. Both great defensive techs. Well, Vassalage is nice for offense too.
Cities sorted by pop. We have two production centres, Charon and Gwenhwyvar, who are pumping out military. Currently we're building double promo Knights.
Fhirdiad will join in when done with eco infra. It will (likely) spawn a Great Scientist soon, which we can settle for an Academy. It already has the Great Library in it.
Some of our fishing villages sadly have their free specialist as a citizen since they don't have other specialist slots unlocked.
HillStormGiants, the border city to Charriu, is building culture to get back the lost tiles. 5 turns to go at current pace.
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