September 18th, 2020, 12:21
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Turn 103
Commodore offered it again this turn, possibly thinking I missed it or forgot to re-offer. With 3 turns until peace expires, I hesitantly accepted. This lets me take a quick look at what he's got prepped for a few turns from now. Canceling OB with Cornflakes had very little impact on my bottom line (I only had 4 routes with him), so it was no big deal at all. I've got enough large island cities that I'm not very reliant on foreign routes.
Cornflakes did offer me a fish for corn trade a turn or so ago. I wasn't sure if this was a serious health trade (pretty sure no) or a fish for fish type deal. I meant to reject, but I accidentally accepted it. Anyway, I offered him a fish for fish after closing borders. Hopefully he gets the idea that I closed because I was concerned he was mapping me out as a possible target, which is partly true, but having the visibility was better. That said, I don't really trust Commodore, so we're going to watch what he does. A quick look at the border.
Really hate Vancouver because it threatens my interior lake in an uncomfortable way. If he doesn't back down elsewhere, I'll set up a plan to burn it. I pulled a couple Knights back out of Stevie Wonder as a hint for him to do the same. Stevie Wonder is pretty uncomfortable because it only comes out of revolt the turn before peace expires, so there's not much time. At least I can dry whip walls. Roswell and Vancouver are both pretty tenuous for a few turns, so it behooves us to not fight here, because I imagine we could both be successful burning cities if we wanted to.
Out west, it's obvious he was prepping to attack again. I flashed a mini stack of Knights that he hadn't seen yet just above Bielefeld, but I didn't move them all the way down. We'll see if he lightens his defenses.
Current empire. Back on military builds in most places after getting the most important Banks and Libraries in place. I need a few more, but I can't afford it right now. Also setting up a Galley chain that may or may not be needed, we'll see.
Thank you, Banking, very cool! This is at break-even. It was a non-trivial cost to detour to Banking, but the payback is pretty decent on it overall if I can avoid death. Plus, I have my eyes on Economics longer term anyway, so it wasn't a skippable tech here. I've increased my break-even slider from like 25% to 40% thanks to Banks, so that's been nice. Break-even tech rate is up 70% since the war with AT ended. I turned science off, though. I'm going to save up some gold before determining which tech goodie to pursue next, because I want to see what great person I pop before I make a firm decision. Also, I'm behind the leaders on this front, so I have to be a bit responsive to their choices. Also, the extra bankroll will allow me to make some unit upgrades if they prove necessary.
Precarious times. Time to see if Commodore is going to honor what I think was an offer or not.
September 19th, 2020, 21:01
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Turn 104
It does appear Commodore intends to honor our deal, as I can see him pulling back on the eastern front. He is building military faster than all players in this game combined, so he may finally be looking to Cairo. Our other front is a bit more reinforced still than I would like, but I backed up my Knight stack there 1 tile to signal I'm willing to move away, but I'm still vaguely nervous there. I did see him retreat his Knights though. I think I'm going to try to war-peace him on T106 to feel better. I'm adding Walls and Longbows to my eastern front cities just to be safe. It's so difficult to plan right now when I don't know if Commodore is going to try to come stomp my sandcastle, but signs lately have been positive. Maybe I can start coming up with a semblance of a plan again.
TBS picked up Paper which is actually pretty interesting. I wonder if he's trying to snipe one of these first-to bonuses? Or he might just want to build Sankore, which would vaguely make some sense. Cornflakes has Paper too, but that's not surprising. The most surprising bit is TBS's 0% gold saving rate. That's genuinely very impressive. Wonder if that's some Cothon power there. Anyway, let's catch up on The Cornflakes Situation.
Alright. Let's inspect the damage. The following is probably pretty accurate.
Quote:Me vs Cornflakes Tech
I am UP:
Priesthood 60
Monarchy 300
Feudalism 700
Guilds 1000
Banking 700
== 2820 beakers
I am DOWN:
Code of Laws 350
Aesthetics 300
Literature 200
Music 600
Alphabet 300
Paper 600
Construction 350
Engineering 1000
Philosophy 800
Education 1800
Nationalism 1800
== 7200 beakers
Woof. That's 4400 raw un-adjusted beakers that I'm down. Adjust those numbers down a bit, but considering my break-even rate is 175bpt.... Also, it's going to get worse before it gets better. He's certain to pick up Liberalism, and then he has an array of beakers he can convert that into. Astro would be the scariest, though he's going to need to grab Compass and Optics first. If we see him do that, things could get hairy. The other power move he could make is Libbing Military Tradition. That's unusual, but Cuirs is a great play for him because Cuirs, weirdly, don't require Guilds. He would also need to pickup Gunpowder, but that's cheap for him.
Complicating things further, he's near certain to land Taj, as he's already teched Nationalism. The big question is just when/where he tries to convert his huge tech edge. He still has just 10 cities to my 18. I imagine he'll go back at TBS, but it's unclear when he plans to do this, as he's still sitting on a fairly pedestrian military. If I see Commodore legitimately pushing into Cairo, that may give me an opening to put some pressure on Cornflakes, although I can only do so much with Knights and CKNs if he's sporting Cuirs or Galleons. I would need TBS to pile on, but he's more likely to pile onto Cairo, really.
I am swinging Knights back into Cornflakes direction, but I don't have nearly anything worth prodding him with yet. I've been trying to modernize some of my defenses first while trying to get my eastern cities secured and online. He's got Pikes and Elephants, so anything beyond a quick sneak attack won't do much.
Side note: Hoo boy has the recent burst of posts in Cornflakes + Lurker threads not made me feel great!
September 19th, 2020, 21:12
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(September 19th, 2020, 21:01)scooter Wrote: Side note: Hoo boy has the recent burst of posts in Cornflakes + Lurker threads not made me feel great!
dont worry, he was just trying to say Chili is bad. We had to remind him that it is actually really good.
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
September 19th, 2020, 21:18
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(September 19th, 2020, 21:12)superdeath Wrote: (September 19th, 2020, 21:01)scooter Wrote: Side note: Hoo boy has the recent burst of posts in Cornflakes + Lurker threads not made me feel great!
dont worry, he was just trying to say Chili is bad. We had to remind him that it is actually really good.
So, how many people am I gonna piss off with my "chili is basically fine but generally overrated" take?
Basically, I don't really understand chili as a meal or as the primary aspect of a meal. As a side, sure I guess. I'll have a small bowl.
September 19th, 2020, 21:24
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(September 19th, 2020, 21:18)scooter Wrote: (September 19th, 2020, 21:12)superdeath Wrote: (September 19th, 2020, 21:01)scooter Wrote: Side note: Hoo boy has the recent burst of posts in Cornflakes + Lurker threads not made me feel great!
dont worry, he was just trying to say Chili is bad. We had to remind him that it is actually really good.
So, how many people am I gonna piss off with my "chili is basically fine but generally overrated" take?
Basically, I don't really understand chili as a meal or as the primary aspect of a meal. As a side, sure I guess. I'll have a small bowl. Chili is originally a survival meal. Beans, meat, tomato paste/sauce and ANYTHING else in a big ass pot.
Living in the midwest, its a cultural fall/winter meal. Make a shitload and then eat it over a couple days because it gets BETTER after sitting. ( i dip saltines into mine like a dip cuz i like my chili to be ThiCC
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
September 19th, 2020, 21:42
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For me, chili is just an excuse to make some proper savory Southern-style cornbread. Nothing like a fresh batch out of the oven to cheer you up in the winter
September 20th, 2020, 00:48
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(September 19th, 2020, 21:18)scooter Wrote: So, how many people am I gonna piss off with my "chili is basically fine but generally overrated" take?
WTF! I missed wherever this originally came from but chili is amazing!
EDIT: Agree with my non-scooter colleagues, thick chili with saltines is great, and cornbread and chili is great.
My favorite local DC place ( http://www.hardtimes.com/locations/) used to have like 15 locations, but the three most convenient to me shut down due to lack of business. Now I find out scooter hates chili and probably wouldn't patronize. Coincidence?!
September 20th, 2020, 01:10
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(September 19th, 2020, 21:18)scooter Wrote: (September 19th, 2020, 21:12)superdeath Wrote: (September 19th, 2020, 21:01)scooter Wrote: Side note: Hoo boy has the recent burst of posts in Cornflakes + Lurker threads not made me feel great!
dont worry, he was just trying to say Chili is bad. We had to remind him that it is actually really good.
So, how many people am I gonna piss off with my "chili is basically fine but generally overrated" take?
Basically, I don't really understand chili as a meal or as the primary aspect of a meal. As a side, sure I guess. I'll have a small bowl.
Cantonese people traditionally can't eat spicy food at all, so chili is a big no for me.
September 20th, 2020, 02:11
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(September 20th, 2020, 01:10)NobleHelium Wrote: Cantonese people traditionally can't eat spicy food at all, so chili is a big no for me.
I always understood that the further south in China you go, the hotter it gets, but that's wrong then? Is that just limited to Guangdong(?), or does the wider region not eat spicy?
And can somebody recommend a cornbread recipe to me who has never even had it? I've been feeling lately that I need a bit more variance while cooking.
September 20th, 2020, 02:27
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You're right in a general sense that the southern provinces Hunan, Guizhou, Chongqing, and Yunnan feature a lot of spicy dishes, but on the coast from Guangxi to Fujian, they have a different mix of ingredients and influences from regional trade.
Here's a starting point for cornbread: https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/so...cornbread/ . I'd personally go with a split of cornmeal and flour and a bit less butter/grease than what they've called for, omit the sugar entirely and keep the egg.
Now it's the other players' turns to quake in fear at the activity!
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