RBP2 Lurker Discussion Thread - No Players!

[Ilios]

Nakor v. Athlete

I suppose you mean Slaze v Athlete?

Coolness, HRE declared on India, bet they didn't see that coming!

[scooter]

Good to see DMOC plans to whip heavily and fight it out, rather than rolling over.

[Bobchillingworth]

Plako seems to see the same writing on the wall as HRE does, but his response has been disappointingly apathetic / fatalistic. I certainly hope that India has to win this game in a 3 vs. 1 situation rather than just stomping one player at a time, but that's up to Slaze and Plako to decide

[Ilios]

Plako seems to see the same writing on the wall as HRE does, but his response has been disappointingly apathetic / fatalistic. I certainly hope that India has to win this game in a 3 vs. 1 situation rather than just stomping one player at a time, but that's up to Slaze and Plako to decide

Yeah, Plako really can't seem to decide what to do. Playing a Civ version of Switzerland just doesn't seem very ambitious. (apologies to all Swiss in advance )

[Beamup]

If he stays out of it, Korea's pretty much guaranteed a second-place finish. The question is whether to risk that for a tiny chance at first. Personally I wouldn't.

[Twinkletoes89]

I really cannot see how Korea has a chance of anything above 2nd. If Spullla win the war, its all over bar the shouting as both Inca and Korea are way behind them and will never catch up.

If by some minor miracle Nakor wins, they are too far ahead and will have well developed cities on Centralia and on the donut, whereas most of Korea's will still be island cities plus Seoul and a couple of ex-Whosit cities. Korea is best supporting Spullla and staying with their closest ally than swapping sides for no feasible benefit

[Rowain]

The best for Korea is a long struggle between India and HRE. So supporting HRE that they can survive and bother India is in Koreas best interest.

[Serdoa]

It does not seem that Spullla want to go on the attack so I am not sure if supporting HRE would help Korea. Even if they did want to attack, I do not see what Korea would gain if they helped HRE. Sure a long struggle would help Korea, but from what has happened in the past in this game would anyone be suprised if HRE would sell out their new "ally" at the first possibility? And India would probably sign a NAP with HRE if they feel betrayed by Korea (or better as soon as they feel that the war is too costly) and attack them.

[Bobchillingworth]

Well, if Korea doesn't help out the HRE they're guaranteed to lose the game. I know that even a 3 vs. 1 doesn't have much of a chance to eliminate India, but at least they might slow them down. I'm of the opinion that there is no "second place" for a civ game; you either win or lose, with the end-of-game score as one possible metric of success.

I do think that it's fine to play the game without having a victory condition as your ultimate objective. I feel that playing as Sunrise did in PB1, to secure the win for another player, is a legitimate goal. In that sense simply "survival" could be measured as a personal success, which seems to be what Plako is going for. But just playing to survive is boring, and I think should only be reserved for when victory is objectively impossible- which I don't see as the case yet for Korea. If you only want to last through the game and don't try to make other players work for their win, why not just pick protective and hide behind city walls?

[Kristian95]

Well, if Korea doesn't help out the HRE they're guaranteed to lose the game. I know that even a 3 vs. 1 doesn't have much of a chance to eliminate India, but at least they might slow them down. I'm of the opinion that there is no "second place" for a civ game; you either win or lose, with the end-of-game score as one possible metric of success.

I do think that it's fine to play the game without having a victory condition as your ultimate objective. I feel that playing as Sunrise did in PB1, to secure the win for another player, is a legitimate goal. In that sense simply "survival" could be measured as a personal success, which seems to be what Plako is going for. But just playing to survive is boring, and I think should only be reserved for when victory is objectively impossible- which I don't see as the case yet for Korea. If you just want to last through the game and don't try to make other players work for their win, why not just pick protective and hide behind city walls?

I think there are way too many people around who willingly switch alliances for no real advantage... I honestly don't think Korea can win even if they switch alliance to HRE... if they stick with India, I think at least they can claim that they have played an honorable game, something which I personally think MP games lack way too much of even at RB.... and a reason I won't play MP games...