Civ 6 Release and Update Discussion Thread

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

It works with city-states, we know that, but I've no idea if the benefits stack. Probably, because otherwise what's the point of building more than one per city?

That said, it isn't a whole lot better than what we've got, since the +1 production cancels out the Shipyard's +1 production on unimproved coast tiles, so the only real benefit is the +4 gold.

[williams482]

Informal patch notes courtesy of Reddit:

New Maps

True Start Mediterranean
True Start Earth Huge
Improved Naval AI

New Units

Line Infantry (base strength: 65)
Man-at-Arms (base strength: 45)
Trebuchet (base strength: 35)
Rebalancing the combat Strength of all units to fit in the new ones.

Rebalancing Civs

Spain:

- +2 loyalty from Missions are now on the Missions directly and not on the Civ ability.
- Spain receives +3 Gold, +1 Faith, and +1 production from all trade routes and those numbers triple if between multiple continents.
- Cities not on their home continent now receive +25% production towards districts and a free builder when founded.

Khmer:

- Cities with Aqueducts receive +1 Amenity and +1 Faith per Population.
- Farms receive +2 Food from adjacent Aqueducts and +1 Faith from adjacent Holy Sites.
- Holy Sites receive major adjacency bonuses from rivers and give food equal to their adjacency bonus.
- Presat now gives +0.5 Culture per population. After Flight, receives +10 Tourism if city is over 10 population, +20 if city is over 20.
- Domrey replaces the Trebuchet

China:

- When you complete a World Wonder, receive a Eureka and Inspiration from that Wonder's Era.

Mapuche:

- Cities with an established governor receive +5% Culture, +5% Production, and +10% experience to all units trained in the city. These numbers are tripled in cities not founded by the Mapuche. All cities within 9 tiles of a city with a governor gain +4 loyalty per turn.
- Lataro's Combat Strength bonus now applies to Free Cities alongside Civs in a Golden/Heroic Age and units killed by the Mapuche cause the city they are in to lose 20 loyalty which is doubled if that Civ is in a Golden or Heroic Age.
- Chemamull receives +1 Production

Canada:

- When placed on Tundra or Snow: Mines and Lumber Mills gain +2 production, and Farms and Camps receive +2 Food.
- Mounties are cheaper, have additional combat Strength, and 1 additional National Park charge.

Georgia:

- Now receives faith equal to 50% of the Combat Strength from units you defeat.
- Khevsur replaces the Man-At-Arms.

Some interesting stuff here. China wasn't exactly crying out for a buff, and Mapuche are probably pretty good already. The other four were definitely bottom of the barrel, and those bonuses improve them considerably.

[Krill]

What happens with Khmer and work ethic?

[suboptimal]

Presumably they take the adjacency given to them by rivers (+1) and provide as well as . It does mean it's possible to have a Holy Site that produces all non- yields. A 3-adjacency, fully built out Holy Site with Scripture running would yield 661536 per turn.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Presumably they take the adjacency given to them by rivers (+1) and provide as well as .  It does mean it's possible to have a Holy Site that produces all non- yields.  A 3-adjacency, fully built out Holy Site with Scripture running would yield 661536 per turn.

Of course, by abusing adjacency pantheons and Hildegaard, you could conceivably get a 16162518 (not sure where to get culture without Choral Music, which can't co-exist with Work Ethic).

[suboptimal]

Presumably they take the adjacency given to them by rivers (+1) and provide as well as .  It does mean it's possible to have a Holy Site that produces all non- yields.  A 3-adjacency, fully built out Holy Site with Scripture running would yield 661536 per turn.

Of course, by abusing adjacency pantheons and Hildegaard, you could conceivably get a 16162518 (not sure where to get culture without Choral Music, which can't co-exist with Work Ethic).

You're right...I forgot that Choral Music and Work Ethic are the same belief category.  However, having yields that high out of a single district is a bit ridiculous.  Lay Ministry would add 1 to a Holy Site

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Zulu, Maya, Korea (?) buffed, Russia and Nubia hit with the nerf bat thus far.

[Krill]

Work ethic isn't nerfed according to reddit, so Khmer are full steam ahead.

[marcopolothefraud]

Now that the April balance patch is out, what should our updated ban-list be? We were talking about this in the Civ 6 PBEM21 discussion thread, but I'm going to move it into the Civilization General Discussion thread too.

Civs I would ban from this PBEM:

Nubia (too strong)
Gaul
Vietnam
Byzantium
Babylon (too strange)
Khmer (too strong)
Portugal
Australia
China (Yes, they got a needless buff)
Maori (Nightmare to balance)
Maya
Hungary
Ethiopia
Russia (Yes, I think they are too dominant currently)
Colombia
Scythia
Rome (like Russia)
Sumeria

I guess we could break these down into categories too.

Banned because of a unique unit:
Nubia
Vietnam
Sumeria
Byzantium (I don't think Byzantium should be banned.)

Banned because of other military bonuses:
Hungary
Gran Colombia
Scythia

Banned because they have too many faith bonuses:
Khmer (I don't think Khmer should be banned.)
Ethiopia
Russia

Banned because they have too many early-game infrastructural bonuses:
Gaul
Babylon
Portugal
Australia
China
Maya
Rome

Banned because they overcomplicate map generation:
Maori
Inca (proposed by thrawn. I don't think Inca should be banned.)

In total, I count 19 banned civs. I think this leans on the side of too many, but I largely agree for most of them. I wonder if we could play a game with no bans whatsoever. That would be scary.

[TheArchduke]

Vietnam ability is the problem the movement and the CS bonus if in their own territory.
Sumeria is something I would not ban but the consensus seems to ban them.

There is a point to be made that we are perhaps banning too many civs.

On a shorter list, I would say:

Vietnam
Gaul
Maori

YMMV.