[No players] Big epic lurking - PB74

[Qgqqqqq]

I'm firmly in Amicaloas camp, and I think this reflects a lack of scouting on Pins path and slight tilt. As he says, it costs him not much - so why is he gearing for war? What would he even be getting- and surely Bing is an easier target to integrate territorially?

And exactly your logic - respect the hustle, but his bluff was called. Perfectly respectable for him to target Amicaloa - but is Amicaloa really the best target?

[Mjmd]

I mean it is a good city and honestly he can retake at fairly min cost. It was a mistake for Amica not to raze and resettle; the current location is just SOOO easy to retake thanks to culture. Build a stack of cats and vultures. Show them to Amica. Force Amica to give city back (or you raze and resettle if he lightly defends). You still have cats and vultures for future use. Like sure splitting Bing will be nice, but at this point that northern border is always going to be tense if you leave it as is. That city pretty much splits two of his. I mean you could open borders and fish for fish, try to deescalate, but you can't even go after Bing unless Commodore joins in and he can probably figure that won't be until knights, so take advantage of controlling that first ring culture while you can, because that tense of a border will flair up more than likely.

Now should he have settled to begin with? I wouldn't have. I would have figured Amica would settle 1W of the dry rice due to needing food for the two dyes. If you take that dry rice you kind of force him to fight. Honestly not sure why Amica wanted to move 1N of current instead of 1W of dry rice. Maybe it was for the sugar, but seems like working two dyes and less tense border is better than a sugar. Also, none of the 1st ring tiles facing Pin would be a hill that way.

Anyways, since things have gone as they have,

[Qgqqqqq]

Yeah, it is a pretty vulnerable city, also surprised he didn't raze. Is he CRE?

[yuris125]

Can you raze cities you get in a peace treaty? or are you saying he should've taken and razed it instead of accepting it in a peace treaty?

[Mjmd]

Amica is Ragnar Agg / Fin. A good leader, but nothing to help keep tiles that close to enemy culture.

And ya you can't raze as part of a peace treaty, but he just shouldn't have taken and razed, then offered the peace treaty. It also sends the message that heh I have this large army, but all I wanted was this spot I considered offensive. Although it sounded like he thought about going farther. The advantage of taking a city in peace is no downtime, get all the infrastructure (NA in this case), and you get fresh culture in immediate square. However, fresh culture is still pretty vulnerable when your opponent has a city 3 tiles away.

[Krill]

If Commodore can get a knight conquest with Darius then he might be in an incredibly strong position (in an absolute sense, in a relative sense I think he may still be a leader simply from the leader and being able to dictate the tech path to everyone else).

Not to diss Plemo, but getting a city lead with IMP is a minimum to being relevant, not a leader, and the GLH, whilst a good crutch, isn't going to propel him into a lead given it obsoletes at Paper.

The game is still open. Apart from superdeath. That guy is screwed. He doesn't know how to use Mids and, even with them on the wrong side of the empire, they give Plemo a straightforward goal to achieve.

[Mjmd]

Q not sure if you are just seeing if Gav knows, but Commodore is top GNP, by quite a bit. Not sure who else has tech turned on though.

[Qgqqqqq]

I didn't know.

[Mjmd]

T100 Review

Edit: T75 review here https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...32&page=21

Lets see if I can remember things for last 25 turns. Note not in order happened, just went around.

Main continent:
- Scooter takes GT pink dot. They made peace eventually after.
- Gav on 4 cities built an impressive HA army and quickly ran over Xist. Got a shrine.
- SD built Pyramids.
- Plemo poked at Tarkeel but no change of cities. Landed a T100 Hanging Gardens with 16 cities.
- Imp Tarkeel recovered back to 11 cities.
- Pin got shrine but lost a city to Amica in a peace deal that will cause trouble before T125 more than likely.
- Commodore built a good GNP.

Small Continent:
- Donovan launched an attack against Metal (Hub) and razed two cities including Metals copper city. He then didn't resettle either and attacked Magic Science. His HA stack got eliminated (per Mig/Gins reports).
- Mig built Colossus and bulbed Theology.
- GKC JUST launched an attack vs Metal.

VERY rough order.
Plemo 16
Piccadilly 13
Commodore 11
Pindicator 10

Miguelito 10
Gavagai 9
Amica 12

Tarkeel 11
GKC 8 - assuming invasion is successful move up to next group

Bing 10
Magic Science 9

Superdeath 10
Donovan Zoi 9
GT 8
Scooter 7
Greenline 8
Metal 7

[Dreylin]

So maybe it's my bias, but there's absolutely no acknowledgement in Tarkeel's overview that any of their current situation is due to their decision to attack me early. Everything is as it is "due to our war with plemo" - the undeveloped North is 30turns behind not because they chose to build Chariots instead of settling the area, but because plemo attacked. Did they really expect to be able to grab the "fair" border of both their lands /and/ mine after having to invest so much in a war; Comben shouldn't have stood for sure, but into the Jungle?

Ultimately, would plemo have had the opportunity to attack as effectively as he did if they had been focused on expansion in /all/ directions and not warring on the opposite border? They wrote off the NW and paid the price.