[No players] Big epic lurking - PB74

[Qgqqqqq]

I'd add:
-Plemo razed Tarkeels capital
-Mig razes MSs third city.
- A number of failed early rushes/chokes

[Mjmd]

@Q I've edited in a link to my T75 review, but all already covered.

[Mjmd]

@Dreylin

I don't blame them for going south and rushing. That is good land down there. But yes they didn't have a sentry NW and they got 2 cities razed and Plemo took some of their sites. Still power of imp/org they are looking ok. For the record they have 9 cities in relative safety and then a pretty even reach one way or the other for a 10th.



Looking at this I kind of hate the copper city doing the cow instead of the corn, so would probably settle 1SE of hill pig moving other one 1S

That grassland pig is exactly the same distance from T/C as Plemo but since Plemos copper was that direction (although little else reason for him to go that way fast) it might have been easier to grab the desert gold / river although that would have bordered 2 people so maybe going for pig and taking a city from Plemo would have been better. But ya Plemo has 3 of his city sites plus got the pig. And T/C hasn't resettled the horse city yet.

[klops]

general question: what exactly do you mean by "pink dot"?
I read that expression a couple times in these reports and it seems to describe an agressive city placement.
But I am totally lost where this wording comes from. Dictionary doesn't help here. The colour??? Pinky finger is the smallest, so thats also not quite fitting for a bold move.
Some special rb or civ reference?

[Krill]

"Pink dot" means to cram a city in a neighbours face to claim most of the land between you. normally done in the early game during expansion, and not later ie after a war.

[yuris125]

The term Pink Dot was used in Sulla's report on Apolyton demogame, played back in 2008, and may have originated even earlier

https://www.sullla.com/Civ4/ADG2.html

[Zed-F]

The term is definitely older than that. I seem to recall it came into use during the Civ 3 timeframe and was initially popularized by Sirian and/or Charis.

[RefSteel]

The term is definitely older than that. I seem to recall it came into use during the Civ 3 timeframe and was initially popularized by Sirian and/or Charis.

Yeah; it was popularized (and came into its current meaning) with the Cuban Isolationist Succession Game that Sirian played with Sullla (see post 8 of that incredible thread) but Sirian started using it much earlier, in Civ3 SGs with Charis, to designate a super-important city site. The Cuban Isolationists game (reinforced by the Apolyton Demogame yuris linked above) caused the meaning to evolve into an extreme in-your-face city planted much closer to an opponent than yourself, placed so as to gain a major strategic edge as long as the city goes unchallenged. The meaning further evolved with usage so that instead of a risky but well-considered strategic plant, "pink dot" is mostly used to refer to any city planted "too far forward" against a rival civ, whatever that means to the player reporting.

[Zed-F]

Yeah. Pink Dots, properly used, are done when you expect the AI will be inept and unable to punish you, not when you can expect a human player will be incensed and forced to try to punish you.

[klops]

thank you all, so it's something that evolved in this "beyond civ realm" and not "proper english" that other natives would generally understand.