[PB65 - Cornflakes] Rising from the Ashes

[Cornflakes]

Can we break the pattern?

Slightly slower start
Dominant position in the Medieval era
Crashes and burns in the Renaissance

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GREAT PEOPLE LOG
1. T75 Scientist - bulb Mathematics (to boost 8 forests while chopping pyramids)
2. T91 Prophet - bulb Theology
3. T97 Prophet - hold for 6 turns, then bulb Civil Service T103
4. T103 Prophet - Golden Age #1
5. T135 Engineer - bulbed 90% of Engineering
6. T138 Merchant - 1100 gold from Trade Mission to MJMD, funding Feudalism > Guilds > Banking for GA#2 swap to Mercantilism
7. T145 Prophet - GA#2
8. T149 Engineer - GA#2
9. T156 Engineer - hold for Taj Mahal rush T177
10. T170 Prophet - Christian Shrine for 31 gpt base, 62 gpt with 100% multipliers.
11. T175 Scientists - hold for GA#3?
12. T179 Engineer - hold for GA#3?

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[Cornflakes]

Full Change Log: http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...?tid=10725

Traits

• Financial: +1 commerce on land tiles that have 3+ commerce, lighthouse gives: +1 commerce on water tiles that have 2+ commerce, +50% production of bank
  
• Expansive: Remove Worker bonus, add +100% production of Aqueduct
  
• Creative: Remove production bonus for Colosseum
  
• Charismatic: +100% production of Monument, +100% production of Colosseum
  
• Aggressive: -50% unit maintenance cost, free Barrage I for all siege weapons
  
• Philosophical: +150% GPP instead of +100%, +100% production of monasteries
  
• Protective: +100% domestic trade route yield (works like a harbor mechanically, just only for domestic trade), +50% production of market
  
• Industrious: +100% production of national wonders
  

Civs

• Some of the described changes here are no direct civ changes, but rather changes to the base unit/building that I wanted to highlight here.
  
• America UB: NEW Carnegie Public Library - Library replacement, +2 Great People Points
  
• America UU: NEW Minuteman - Musket replacement, Starts with Guerrilla 1 and Woodsman 1.
  
• Arabia UU: Camel Archer starts with March
  
• Babylon UB: +10% food storaged on growth, +2 health
  
• Celts UB: +1 culture, never obsoletes
  
• China UU: max 40% collateral damage instead of max 60%
  
• Dutch UU: Strength reduced to 5 and can no longer enter rival territory like a caravel
  
• Egypt UB: Never obsoletes
  
• Ethiopia UB: Never obsoletes
  
• Germany UB: Assembly Plant available at Steam Power instead of Assembly line, +2 hammer
  
• Germany UU: NEW Riesengarde - replace Grenadier, available at Chemistry, starts with Pinch
  
• Greece UU: Phalanx - replaces spearman, strength 5, +25% hill defense
  
• Inca UB: Makes city act as a source of fresh water instead of +2 culture, Cost 45
  
• India UU: movement 2 instead of 3, start with Mobility promotion
  
• Japan UB: NEW Tatara, Forge replacement - costs 100, +2 XP to Melee, +10% hammer bonus with coals
  
• Maya UU: Starts with Woodsman 1
  
• Native America Tech: Fishing/Hunting instead of Fishing/Agriculture
  
• Native America UB: Available at Archery instead of Mysticism, additional +1 XP for gunpowder units and melee, never obsoletes
  
• Persia UB: NEW Bazaar - replaces market gives 50% trade yield
  
• Russia UB: Replace University instead of Laboratory, only +1 free scientist
  
• Spain UB: +2 XP for naval units, does not require Walls, never obsoletes,
  
• Zulu UU: Remove Mobility promotion
  

Leaders

• Also included are three new leaders for the missing trait combos
  
• LieuYe (ORG/PRO)
  
• San Martin (CHM/CRE) and
  
• Nebuchadnezzar (IND/PHI)
  

[Cornflakes]

I want to try the American UB. To me that looks like a broken overpowered building and I want to break it.

[Charriu]

You are very welcome to break it.

[Cornflakes]

You are very welcome to break it.

I really hope that we choose snakepick method

Just so I confirm my understanding of how the building works: After building a Carnegie Public Library, the +2 free GPP start accumulating but don't count towards the dice roll odds ... with the following potential options:
a) if at least 1 GPP of one type of Great Person is earned from specialists/wonder/etc. then the odds are 100% for that type
b) if two or more types of GPP are earned from specialists/wonders/etc. then the odds are a ratio of the non-library points earned (e.g. 50/40/10 Library/Scientist/Merchant would result 80% scientist and 20% merchant chance)
c) if no other GPP are earned, then a random Great Person will be born.

[Tarkeel]

I want to try the American UB. To me that looks like a broken overpowered building and I want to break it.

I look at the Spanish Citadel and think the same thing, but I ended up breaking the map instead. My understanding of the building is as you describe it.

Can we break the pattern?

Slightly slower start
Dominant position in the Medieval era
Crashes and burns in the Renaissance

I think that might be your reputation preceding you.

[Charriu]

You understood the American UB correctly

[Miguelito]

Nebuchadnezzar of America then? Writing->MC->rush mids for 17 pure GE points?

[Cornflakes]

The key to the broken-ness of the Carnegie Public Library is (a)

a) if at least 1 GPP of one type of Great Person is earned from specialists/wonder/etc. then the odds are 100% for that type

An early CPL can pre-earn points of a GPP type. And this can be done at each city. as PHI, the first GPerson is born in 25 turns without investing any other points. So if you get a single GEngineer point in 25 turns after building the CPL you can immediately birth a GEngineer.

Pick up Writing early > whip the CPL > pick up Metal Casting for Forge to run an engineer for 1 turn > Rush Pyramids in another city that has had a CPL brewing in the background for around 24 turns (so you already have close to a 100 point head start) and you have cumulative +14 GEngineer points per turn. Now run other specialists with Representation to power your research, birth a couple GPP while researching to Calendar, the GEngineer city will eventually catch up right when it's needed to rush MoM. Launch a GA with whatever GPP you have more of, take a bulb or three down the tech tree, chain a GA or three ...      ... VICTORY

[Krill]

Fantastic plan unless Maya starts next to you and you die to an unstoppable Holkan rush.